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silvermine Jan 21st 2017 11:22 am

yep it's already started!
 
Protesters from Canada, UK, 'turned away at US border' - BBC News


be careful out there folks..

silvermine Jan 21st 2017 11:55 am

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ok we're here now. very very disturbing to this canadian/uk citizen living in the usa to see a uk national being told they need a visa to enter the us... crazy!

ian-mstm Jan 21st 2017 3:24 pm

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Originally Posted by silvermine (Post 12157929)
very very disturbing to [...] see a uk national being told they need a visa to enter the us...

Not only are CBP officers allowed to intimidate people, they are allowed to lie with impunity. The officer was lying.

Ian

dc koop Jan 21st 2017 5:10 pm

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I have a problem with hooligans torching cars, smashing windows and tossing garbage cans and mail boxes into the street. This took place yesterday in Washington during the inaugural parade. If these idiots claim Trump isn't legitimate as a president then they need to know that the Trump won squarely and legitimately. Accept it and move on. I didn't vote for Trump but in all fairness the best thing we can do is give the man a chance.

There was a news article on the BBC last night. A BBC reporter went to a poor rural area in Alabama whose people are mostly African American. Many of them were negative about Trump, many had been out of work for a log time but I had to wonder why Obama after 8 years in office hadn't obviously done a thing for them

dc koop Jan 21st 2017 5:17 pm

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Originally Posted by silvermine (Post 12157929)
ok we're here now. very very disturbing to this canadian/uk citizen living in the usa to see a uk national being told they need a visa to enter the us... crazy!

When I lived in Canada I had to show my UK passport when crossing to the US. The passport stated that I was a resident of Canada. A UK national
whose residence is still the UK obviously needs a visa to enter the US. That's the way it's always been

Wintersong Jan 21st 2017 5:21 pm

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Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12158021)
A UK national
whose residence is still the UK obviously needs a visa to enter the US. That's the way it's always been

Did you really just say this?

Pollyana Jan 21st 2017 5:32 pm

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Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12158021)
When I lived in Canada I had to show my UK passport when crossing to the US. The passport stated that I was a resident of Canada. A UK national
whose residence is still the UK obviously needs a visa to enter the US. That's the way it's always been

:confused::confused:

dc koop Jan 21st 2017 5:47 pm

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Originally Posted by Wintersong (Post 12158025)
Did you really just say this?

Why ? Don't UK nationals need a visa to enter the US? if it's changed I wasn't aware of it

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 21st 2017 6:05 pm

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Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12158034)
Why ? Don't UK nationals need a visa to enter the US? if it's changed I wasn't aware of it

https://travel.state.gov/content/vis...r-program.html

dc koop Jan 21st 2017 6:12 pm

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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12158043)

Thanks. Hadn't hear about a visa waiver program. Things have changed since I left the UK

christmasoompa Jan 21st 2017 6:49 pm

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Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12158044)
Thanks. Hadn't hear about a visa waiver program. Things have changed since I left the UK

The VWP has been in place almost 20 years for the UK, must have been a heck of a long time ago that you left so I guess not surprising that immigration rules may have changed in that time. :lol:

robin1234 Jan 21st 2017 7:12 pm

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Originally Posted by christmasoompa (Post 12158051)
The VWP has been in place almost 20 years for the UK, must have been a heck of a long time ago that you left so I guess not surprising that immigration rules may have changed in that time. :lol:

Someone will have to break it gently to dc koop - Britain is now a member of the EU. No more Empire Preference. And King George VI died. :unsure:

Wintersong Jan 21st 2017 7:47 pm

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Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 12158055)
Someone will have to break it gently to dc koop - Britain is now a member of the EU. No more Empire Preference. And King George VI died. :unsure:

Well, if he doesn't know about the EU, at least we don't have to worry about breaking the Brexit news :lol:

Wintersong Jan 21st 2017 7:55 pm

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Originally Posted by christmasoompa (Post 12158051)
The VWP has been in place almost 20 years for the UK, must have been a heck of a long time ago that you left so I guess not surprising that immigration rules may have changed in that time. :lol:

30!

robin1234 Jan 21st 2017 8:28 pm

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Originally Posted by Wintersong (Post 12158063)
Well, if he doesn't know about the EU, at least we don't have to worry about breaking the Brexit news :lol:

Plus by the time he catches up there'll probably be another King George on the throne!!

dc koop Jan 21st 2017 9:23 pm

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Yeah things have changed a bit since 1974. I had moved back to the UK from Canada in 1973 and returned to a country plagued by labour strife., crippling strikes and an economic state that had earned the UK the name "the sick man of Europe" Luckily for me my brother a US citizen sponsored my application for permanent US residence a year later.
It was around the time I left that Britain became a member of the Common Market, EEC or whatever the EU was then known as. The popular feeling was that by joining Europe Britain would benefit greatly from it.

Forty two years later a bunch of misguided old dolts led by Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson managed to win the vote to get Britain out. What now if Brexit in the next few years proves to be a complete disaster for Britain...an application for US territory status ? :lol:

tom169 Jan 22nd 2017 1:00 am

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Last I heard, anyone asking for entry who isn't a US citizen has the burden on them to prove they'll be good to enter.

And after all this, the CBP agent has final authority, given the VWP waivers the right to appear before a judge.

I'm sure there was some protest in Canada held. I'd rather then spend Canadian policing budget than DC's.

christmasoompa Jan 22nd 2017 1:30 am

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Originally Posted by Wintersong (Post 12158066)
30!

You're right - 1988, so nearly 30 years. Not sure if I can get away with blaming a typo on that one, but it's better than admitting my maths was shocking. :lol:

Pulaski Jan 22nd 2017 1:57 am

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Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12158021)
.... A UK national whose residence is still the UK obviously needs a visa to enter the US. That's the way it's always been.

Your grasp on life and the ways of the world in the 21st century is even worse than I had feared! :lol:

mrken30 Jan 22nd 2017 2:28 am

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The lower paid have already started to suffer. Hopefully decline in first time buyers will cause another housing crash.

Trump suspends mortgage rule designed to help first-time homebuyers

http://www.curbed.com/2017/1/20/1433...nce-homeowners

Pulaski Jan 22nd 2017 3:13 am

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Originally Posted by mrken30 (Post 12158260)
The lower paid have already started to suffer. Hopefully decline in first time buyers will cause another housing crash.

Trump suspends mortgage rule designed to help first-time homebuyers. .....

The insurance premiums fund the fund the reserves for the insurance fund and cutting the premiums, by a tiny percentage, threatened the solvency of the insurance funds - the reserves are required to be a minimum of 2% and are only currently only about 2.3.

To cut the premium was (i) financially reckless and (ii) given the timing, was a blatantly political maneuver by President Obama in the dying days of his presidency.

dc koop Jan 22nd 2017 3:58 am

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12158238)
Your grasp on life and the ways of the world in the 21st century is even worse than I had feared! :lol:

I became a US citizen in 1983. All travel outside the US since then has been with a US passport. Why should I have bothered to give a crap about or even know about changing rules, regulations and requirements relating to visitors traveling to and from the US and Europe ?

Obviously my ignorance on such matters has been displayed and I should have kept my gob shut but again I don't give a crap :lol:

Nutmegger Jan 22nd 2017 5:43 am

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Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12158308)
I became a US citizen in 1983. All travel outside the US since then has been with a US passport. Why should I have bothered to give a crap about or even know about changing rules, regulations and requirements relating to visitors traveling to and from the US and Europe ?

Obviously my ignorance on such matters has been displayed and I should have kept my gob shut but again I don't give a crap :lol:

What did you think that this Visa Waiver Program that is discussed day in day out on this forum was all about?;)

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 22nd 2017 8:04 am

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People at times seem to think they have the right to enter another country and forget it's a privelage and the officers both US and Canadian side have power to deny entry.

I dislike Trump but I can see why CBP wouldn't been keen on allowing protestors to cross and there were protests in city's in Canada.

When Canadians who were denied entry or detained at the border when entering when it was known their only reason for entering the US was to protest, the Minister of Public Safety issued a statement over it.


When entering another country, including Canada, it has always been the case that goods accompanying a traveler may be searched to verify admissibility,” Scott Bardsley, the minister’s press secretary, said in an emailed statement.

“Every country is sovereign and able to make its own rules to admit people and goods to manage its immigration framework, health and safety,” he added.




Originally Posted by tom169 (Post 12158218)
Last I heard, anyone asking for entry who isn't a US citizen has the burden on them to prove they'll be good to enter.

And after all this, the CBP agent has final authority, given the VWP waivers the right to appear before a judge.

I'm sure there was some protest in Canada held. I'd rather then spend Canadian policing budget than DC's.


dc koop Jan 22nd 2017 8:25 am

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Canadians, Brits and people across the globe would be better served worrying about their own individual problems. Those here who claim Trump isn't "legitimate" obviously haven't a clue how democracy works and have no respect for the constitution or the electoral process.

I found it ironic that protestors took to the streets in Australia a country whose elected government sticks asylum seekers in a camp on some offshore island.

silvermine Jan 22nd 2017 8:41 am

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what was ironic was that one of the people turned away was a dual canadian/us citizen who was not carrying his us passport at the time... even worse!
another guy was a canadian physics student at mcgill ..

tom169 Jan 22nd 2017 8:44 am

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Originally Posted by silvermine (Post 12158514)
what was ironic was that one of the people turned away was a dual canadian/us citizen who was not carrying his us passport at the time... even worse!
another guy was a canadian physics student at mcgill ..

Pretty sure it's illegal for a US citizen to enter not using their US passport.

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 22nd 2017 8:58 am

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Should have brought and used his US Passport then.


Originally Posted by silvermine (Post 12158514)
what was ironic was that one of the people turned away was a dual canadian/us citizen who was not carrying his us passport at the time... even worse!
another guy was a canadian physics student at mcgill ..


silvermine Jan 22nd 2017 9:47 am

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Originally Posted by tom169 (Post 12158518)
Pretty sure it's illegal for a US citizen to enter not using their US passport.

yes i believe that to be the case, he should have had it to present at the border.. in which case there would be no way he could be denied entry.... right?

tom169 Jan 22nd 2017 9:48 am

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Originally Posted by silvermine (Post 12158557)
yes i believe that to be the case, he should have had it to present at the border.. in which case there would be no way he could be denied entry.... right?

Correct.

spouse of scouse Jan 22nd 2017 10:18 am

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Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12158502)

I found it ironic that protestors took to the streets in Australia a country whose elected government sticks asylum seekers in a camp on some offshore island.

:confused: Why would you find that ironic?

Former Lancastrian Jan 22nd 2017 10:58 am

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Originally Posted by Nutmegger (Post 12158397)
What did you think that this Visa Waiver Program that is discussed day in day out on this forum was all about?;)

Well its about when you get your visa bill in the mail and you go Holy Crap did I spend that much. You apply for a waiver to have the bill reduced and more time to pay it without incurring interest.;)

Leslie Jan 22nd 2017 11:01 am

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Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 12158580)
:confused: Why would you find that ironic?

Cognitive dissonance.

spouse of scouse Jan 22nd 2017 11:55 am

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Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 12158604)
Cognitive dissonance.

Well said that woman :thumbup:

Pulaski Jan 22nd 2017 12:22 pm

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Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12158502)
.... I found it ironic that protestors took to the streets in Australia, a country whose elected government sticks asylum seekers in a camp on some offshore island.

Yeah, well the next time the Australians do that, they're probably going to have to find a different country to palm the asylum seekers off on! :lol:

Pollyana Jan 22nd 2017 12:31 pm

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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12158600)
Well its about when you get your visa bill in the mail and you go Holy Crap did I spend that much. You apply for a waiver to have the bill reduced and more time to pay it without incurring interest.;)

No, thats VISA waiver :sneaky::lol:

tom169 Jan 22nd 2017 12:32 pm

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Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 12158654)
No, thats VISA waiver :sneaky::lol:

Haha. :goodpost:

dc koop Jan 22nd 2017 12:49 pm

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12158648)
Yeah, well the next time the Australians do that, they're probably going to have to find a different country to palm the asylum seekers off on! :lol:

Wouldn't be a bad idea if the UK resettled all the Aussies living in the UK back to Australia. They're stealing thousands of pub jobs that Brits should be entitled to :lol:

dc koop Jan 22nd 2017 12:52 pm

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Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 12158631)
Well said that woman :thumbup:

Yep! Now get out there with yer placard and join the other wailing, weeping masses :lol:

Pollyana Jan 22nd 2017 12:53 pm

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Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12158665)
Wouldn't be a bad idea if the UK resettled all the Aussies living in the UK back to Australia. They're stealing thousands of pub jobs that Brits should be entitled to :lol:

A huge amount of those Aussies are actually dual citizens .......:ohmy:


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