Tipping for big groups
#1
Tipping for big groups
What is the logic of those restaurants who impose a tip for groups over a certain size. As an example I often see an 18% tip will be added for groups of 6 or more.
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Re: Tipping for big groups
So one pays more tax as well. This is because by law a mandatory service charge is deemed part of the bill as a whole and is supposedly reported to the IRS. Whereas an optional tip is not.
#4
Re: Tipping for big groups
Logic? Nah.
Reasons:
A table of 20 could take up the space & time of 6 tables of 4 (and stay twice as long)
They could deter others from coming in.
They cause disruption to the routine.
They expect bulk discount (and may get it)
People will pay it,
I'l stop there as I can think of just as many counter arguments.
Reasons:
A table of 20 could take up the space & time of 6 tables of 4 (and stay twice as long)
They could deter others from coming in.
They cause disruption to the routine.
They expect bulk discount (and may get it)
People will pay it,
I'l stop there as I can think of just as many counter arguments.
#5
Re: Tipping for big groups
I suspect it is because there seems to always be one or two people in a large group who don't contribute their fair share of the bill including a tip. When the total tip ends up being very little, everybody then claims that they contributed the correct amount. This seems to occur more often when there are big differences in prices between the meals and drinks that people order (especially if the group is sharing bottles of wine).
Therefore the restaurant levies a specific percentage tip for groups and lets the group figure out how to make up any shortfall.
I know this happens since it happened to me for a bill of about $300 and I collected money and discovered that I received about $30 less than the total bill including tip.
Therefore the restaurant levies a specific percentage tip for groups and lets the group figure out how to make up any shortfall.
I know this happens since it happened to me for a bill of about $300 and I collected money and discovered that I received about $30 less than the total bill including tip.
Last edited by Michael; Feb 2nd 2013 at 1:38 am.
#8
Re: Tipping for big groups
I Should pay tax on any tip I give, it's just that it doesn't get reported, so they do not bother to ask for it?
The receivers of the tips should report the tip and pay tax, and I understand that they would be taxed at an assumed rate of tip even if they say they got none. So wouldn't the tax man know or assume that the tip was paid, and if so, why do they not come after the tax that the giver should have paid for non-mandatory tips, and in turn, why don't the establishments ask for the giver portion of tax on a tip; or is the amount given to the staff less the giver portion of tax?
I am not sure if any of that makes sense, I know what I am trying to ask. Maybe someone will understand.
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Re: Tipping for big groups
Let me try to understand this.
I Should pay tax on any tip I give, it's just that it doesn't get reported, so they do not bother to ask for it?
The receivers of the tips should report the tip and pay tax, and I understand that they would be taxed at an assumed rate of tip even if they say they got none. So wouldn't the tax man know or assume that the tip was paid, and if so, why do they not come after the tax that the giver should have paid for non-mandatory tips, and in turn, why don't the establishments ask for the giver portion of tax on a tip; or is the amount given to the staff less the giver portion of tax?
I am not sure if any of that makes sense, I know what I am trying to ask. Maybe someone will understand.
I Should pay tax on any tip I give, it's just that it doesn't get reported, so they do not bother to ask for it?
The receivers of the tips should report the tip and pay tax, and I understand that they would be taxed at an assumed rate of tip even if they say they got none. So wouldn't the tax man know or assume that the tip was paid, and if so, why do they not come after the tax that the giver should have paid for non-mandatory tips, and in turn, why don't the establishments ask for the giver portion of tax on a tip; or is the amount given to the staff less the giver portion of tax?
I am not sure if any of that makes sense, I know what I am trying to ask. Maybe someone will understand.
Hi I'm not sure what you are trying to say, and I probably did not explain myself properly. This is what our group found when we did a search on mandatory tips.
We know that we paid sales tax on food/drink and the 18% service charge.
Mandatory Tips
Often, restaurants and bars will add a preset tip when serving a large group. The percentage that will be added as a tip is usually posted in the menu or advertising brochures. When this preset service charge or "mandatory tip" is added by the retailer to the customer's bill, it is subject to tax. These charges are part of the restaurant or bar's income and should be reported as taxable sales. Tax is due on these amounts even if tax was not charged to the customer. Mandatory tip charges are taxable whether or not the tips are paid to an employee.
#10
Re: Tipping for big groups
I saw this on the guardian website today: http://m.guardiannews.com/commentisf...ess-needs-tips
#11
Re: Tipping for big groups
Hi I'm not sure what you are trying to say, and I probably did not explain myself properly. This is what our group found when we did a search on mandatory tips.
We know that we paid sales tax on food/drink and the 18% service charge.
Mandatory Tips
Often, restaurants and bars will add a preset tip when serving a large group. The percentage that will be added as a tip is usually posted in the menu or advertising brochures. When this preset service charge or "mandatory tip" is added by the retailer to the customer's bill, it is subject to tax. These charges are part of the restaurant or bar's income and should be reported as taxable sales. Tax is due on these amounts even if tax was not charged to the customer. Mandatory tip charges are taxable whether or not the tips are paid to an employee.
We know that we paid sales tax on food/drink and the 18% service charge.
Mandatory Tips
Often, restaurants and bars will add a preset tip when serving a large group. The percentage that will be added as a tip is usually posted in the menu or advertising brochures. When this preset service charge or "mandatory tip" is added by the retailer to the customer's bill, it is subject to tax. These charges are part of the restaurant or bar's income and should be reported as taxable sales. Tax is due on these amounts even if tax was not charged to the customer. Mandatory tip charges are taxable whether or not the tips are paid to an employee.
#12
Re: Tipping for big groups
Hi I'm not sure what you are trying to say, and I probably did not explain myself properly. This is what our group found when we did a search on mandatory tips.
We know that we paid sales tax on food/drink and the 18% service charge.
Mandatory Tips
Often, restaurants and bars will add a preset tip when serving a large group. The percentage that will be added as a tip is usually posted in the menu or advertising brochures. When this preset service charge or "mandatory tip" is added by the retailer to the customer's bill, it is subject to tax. These charges are part of the restaurant or bar's income and should be reported as taxable sales. Tax is due on these amounts even if tax was not charged to the customer. Mandatory tip charges are taxable whether or not the tips are paid to an employee.
We know that we paid sales tax on food/drink and the 18% service charge.
Mandatory Tips
Often, restaurants and bars will add a preset tip when serving a large group. The percentage that will be added as a tip is usually posted in the menu or advertising brochures. When this preset service charge or "mandatory tip" is added by the retailer to the customer's bill, it is subject to tax. These charges are part of the restaurant or bar's income and should be reported as taxable sales. Tax is due on these amounts even if tax was not charged to the customer. Mandatory tip charges are taxable whether or not the tips are paid to an employee.
#13
Re: Tipping for big groups
I saw this on the guardian website today: http://m.guardiannews.com/commentisf...ess-needs-tips
I suspect he was more embarrassed at the small amount per person that he paid than not including a tip.
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Re: Tipping for big groups
I suspect it is because there seems to always be one or two people in a large group who don't contribute their fair share of the bill including a tip. When the total tip ends up being very little, everybody then claims that they contributed the correct amount. This seems to occur more often when there are big differences in prices between the meals and drinks that people order (especially if the group is sharing bottles of wine).
Therefore the restaurant levies a specific percentage tip for groups and lets the group figure out how to make up any shortfall.
I know this happens since it happened to me for a bill of about $300 and I collected money and discovered that I received about $30 less than the total bill including tip.
Therefore the restaurant levies a specific percentage tip for groups and lets the group figure out how to make up any shortfall.
I know this happens since it happened to me for a bill of about $300 and I collected money and discovered that I received about $30 less than the total bill including tip.
#15
Re: Tipping for big groups
Logic? Nah.
Reasons:
A table of 20 could take up the space & time of 6 tables of 4 (and stay twice as long)
They could deter others from coming in.
They cause disruption to the routine.
They expect bulk discount (and may get it)
People will pay it,
I'l stop there as I can think of just as many counter arguments.
Reasons:
A table of 20 could take up the space & time of 6 tables of 4 (and stay twice as long)
They could deter others from coming in.
They cause disruption to the routine.
They expect bulk discount (and may get it)
People will pay it,
I'l stop there as I can think of just as many counter arguments.