the Scottish independence issue
Jan 8th 2014, 4:56 pm
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
I lived in Northern Ireland most of my life, Scotland has 1 more Tory MP than Northern Ireland does, in fact Scotland has more Tory MPs than Northern Ireland has MPs from any of the main UK parties but I don't wine and moan about it, I am still a committed unionist.
Jan 8th 2014, 5:11 pm
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With all due respect NI politics are very different to Scotland ,at the '97 election we returned 0 Con. MPs.Im not whining or moaning about it just stating the facts ,Scotland has again a UK government that the majority didnt vote for,this one the main pts for independence,self rule.The oil to US was a bit tongue in cheek but I think the US would rather buy oil from anywhere than middle east.Blair was just another tory lawyer not really labour and Brown I think got the bums rush ,it wasnt his fault the economy went tits -up.
Jan 8th 2014, 5:15 pm
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Jan 8th 2014, 5:16 pm
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
Details, details.
Jan 8th 2014, 5:21 pm
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Jan 8th 2014, 5:38 pm
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
With all due respect NI politics are very different to Scotland ,at the '97 election we returned 0 Con. MPs.Im not whining or moaning about it just stating the facts ,Scotland has again a UK government that the majority didnt vote for,this one the main pts for independence,self rule.The oil to US was a bit tongue in cheek but I think the US would rather buy oil from anywhere than middle east.Blair was just another tory lawyer not really labour and Brown I think got the bums rush ,it wasnt his fault the economy went tits -up.
Jan 8th 2014, 6:50 pm
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Ah ok,i get but those years were before the financial crisis kicked in around 2008 ,then he became PM ,not much he could do if banks are being greedy and giving out silly loans ,he got the blame and also because he was scottish (my opinon) he got the bullet.Independence would give Scotland better control of these problems .
Jan 8th 2014, 7:00 pm
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Ah ok,i get but those years were before the financial crisis kicked in around 2008 ,then he became PM ,not much he could do if banks are being greedy and giving out silly loans ,he got the blame and also because he was scottish (my opinon) he got the bullet.Independence would give Scotland better control of these problems .
Nothing to do with the regulation of banks (or lack thereof) during the preceding 10 years, or government regulation creating an easy-credit environment in which increasing house prices fed a frenzy of remortgaging and spending? Or the fact that government money surpluses weren't put away for a rainy day?
I think the idea that Brown got the blame because he was Scottish only feeds the notion of Scots as victims.
Brown wasn't the only guilty party by a long, long way, but he was hardly blameless.
Jan 8th 2014, 7:13 pm
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It was not exactly a once in a lifetime event either.
Jan 8th 2014, 7:20 pm
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No Im not saying it was spontaneous combustion.The financial crisis didnt just happen in UK it was worldwide and he got the blame.I lived in England for 11yrs (I left in 2007) and I can tell you first hand people didnt want him as PM because he was scottish.Some english people object to scottish MPs voting on english affairs( even though we are all british).As I said in a previous post the UK political system is broken ,its not working ,at least not for the scots.
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Jan 8th 2014, 7:23 pm
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No Im not saying it was spontaneous combustion.The financial crisis didnt just happen in UK it was worldwide and he got the blame.I lived in England for 11yrs (I left in 2007) and I can tell you first hand people didnt want him as PM because he was scottish.Some english people object to scottish MPs voting on english affairs( even though we are all british).As I said in a previous post the UK political system is broken ,its not working ,at not for the scots.
Jan 8th 2014, 10:48 pm
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Re: the Scottish independence issue
Ah ok,i get but those years were before the financial crisis kicked in around 2008 ,then he became PM ,not much he could do if banks are being greedy and giving out silly loans ,he got the blame and also because he was scottish (my opinon) he got the bullet.Independence would give Scotland better control of these problems .
