Planespotting II

Old Mar 6th 2019, 2:12 pm
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Originally Posted by markonline1 View Post
.... The other shock from that is the limitations that have been put in place since shorham. If the Red Arrows really are limited to just flyoasts over land, how much longer will they keep going?
I might be wrong, but I hope not … my reading was that the restrictions on military jets is for one's in private ownership, and not those operated by active military pilots.
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Pulaski is correct - the key word is ‘former’ military jets.

The Arrows are current military jets.
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I might be wrong, but I hope not … my reading was that the restrictions on military jets is for one's in private ownership, and not those operated by active military pilots.
I see that now, although they do go on to say the Red Arrows aren’t able to do aerobatic displays at Farnborough any more. I don’t what the rules or restrictions are over there, but be a real shame if they were stopped doing their thing.
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I see that now, although they do go on to say the Red Arrows aren’t able to do aerobatic displays at Farnborough any more. I don’t what the rules or restrictions are over there, but be a real shame if they were stopped doing their thing.
Our elder son shared footage with us of the Red Arrows doing their display at Swansea last summer, the whole display appeared to take place over the sea.

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Public days at Farnborough canned -

The Farnborough International Airshow will no longer host a public weekend after "negative and vitriolic" feedback for displays, it has been announced.

Organisers said the Shoreham air crash had "expedited" the decision, which comes amid a "dwindling number" of spectators.

A spokeswoman said organisers could "no longer provide an airshow the public want".

The event will focus on its five-day trade show.

The Farnborough Airshow will still include trade flying displays when the biennial event takes place in July 2020.
From the BBC.
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My dad used to work "in the industry" - as did I later on for about a 5 year period - and as a nipper he would always take me to Farnborough public day, I loved it, our focus was on military rather than commercial.
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At least it was quick, they would have been killed on impact.

It certainly appears to be out of control. there is no obvious attempt to raise the nose. Bearing in mind they were at 060 when last in stable flight, might they have been in icing conditions?
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.... It certainly appears to be out of control. there is no obvious attempt to raise the nose. Bearing in mind they were at 060 when last in stable flight, might they have been in icing conditions?
Do we know if they've got the FDRS yet? Because this surely isn't going to be hard to determine exactly what happened.

I am sceptical that there would have been icing over the gulf, off the coast of Texas.

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My understanding is that the CVR has been recovered and there are references to losing control of the aircraft, but no information that I have seen from the FDR yet.

I agree that it's unlikely to be icing or other weather looking at the video, and that leaves a massive mechanical failure or pilot error.
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Whatever happened was obviously sudden and catastrophic. Data on Flightradar24 suggested the plane descended at over 20000 feet per minute at one point.
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... I agree that it's unlikely to be icing or other weather looking at the video, and that leaves a massive mechanical failure or pilot error.
That would be the mother of all pilot errors!

It would be pretty shocking to be a catastrophic mechanical failure too, as they are rarer than ever these days, as the mistakes that led to Aloha 243, JAL 123, and Alaska 261, among others, have been learned from.

So I am very interested to hear what final explanation is given.
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Not really - pilots have stalled perfectly good aircraft before. AF447 comes to mind.
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https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/f...-near-houston/
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Seems to be the most recent relear regarding Atlas Air.

https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-rele...r20190305.aspx

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