scrubbedexpat091

Flight radar says they only have data only for the first 3 minutes of this particular flight, anything beyond that isn't accurate.

scrubbedexpat091

China is apparently asking its airlines to ground their 737Max aircraft for now.

"China asked domestic airlines to temporarily ground Boeing Co. 737 Max jets after a model operated by Ethiopian Airlines crashed on Sunday, Caijing reported, citing an unidentified industry participant."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...x-caijing-says


Cayman Airways is grounding its 2 737 Max aircraft until further notice.

https://www.caymancompass.com/2019/0...ax-8-aircraft/

civilservant

Boeing's share price is taking a massive wallop again. If this turns out to be in any way similar to the Lion Air crash, it really speaks to aviation's desire to cut down on training costs as much as possible.

Pulaski

I find it scary that the manufacturer installs a safety override, to reduce the risk of pilot-induced stalls, and the crew proceed to fight the safety override! …. Didn't something similar happen with Asiana 214 - the plane's systems knew there was a problem, but the crew ignored the warnings.

civilservant

I actually got through reading the crash report of Asiana last week.

Essentially they didn't know that the A/T mode that was engaged would not hold their speed appropriately and they failed to notice that their speed and glide path was deteriorating. By the time they responded with TOGA power (2.5 secs before impact) the engines didn't have enough time to respond. They struck the seawall with N1 at about 92%.

Pilots seem to be the primary cause of aircraft crashes at this point. Mishandling the aircraft and it's automation.

MidAtlantic

I think it is a question of pilot/systems interaction and failure to understand how the safety systems work. That is more to do with training.

In the LionAir case there were real questions about whether Boeing had effectively communicated the change in the safety systems on the 787 MAX.

The fact that several operators are now grounding their fleet indicates serious concern, way beyond simple pilot error.

scrubbedexpat142

Let's hope we don't go from -

"If it ain't Boeing I ain't going"

to -

"If it's Boeing I ain't going"

Pulaski

When there are really only two choices of large jet aircraft, and Airbus has had it's fair share of issues with uncontrolled downward acceleration over the years, I am more interested in the reputation of the airline and it's pilots than the manufacturer. If I was flying long haul I would prefer a North American, British, or West European airline, or one of a very short list of Asian or Middle Eastern Airline, and obviously QANTAS would be on my list.

scrubbedexpat142

I agree, it would be a shame if a manufacturer with a record like Boeing should find itself in severe difficulty as a result of these accidents. Currently presuming these 2 recent incidents are "aberrations" rather than a fundamental issue with the aircraft.

civilservant

I don't think it's an acronym, I'm fairly sure it's Qantas

Pulaski

Well that's how it started out, … or do they consider it to be like HSBC these days?

MidAtlantic

Wikipedia: The Qantas name comes from "QANTAS", an acronym for its original name, "Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Services", and it is nicknamed "The Flying Kangaroo".

Pulaski

Thank you!

civilservant

Pulaski

I guess you never asked yourself why an English-speaking country came up with a word/name has a Q without a following U.