Pulaski

True, but stalling a "perfectly good plane" in very challenging weather conditions isn't quite the same as losing a plane in relatively benign conditions. ..... But then there is Asiana 214!

I hate to say it, but if a plane comes down with no immediately obviously/ already known issue, i.e. through conversation with ATC, then these days pilot suicide has to be a significant possibility, not the highest probability, but more than a small one.
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chawkins99

That was my initial thought but 90% of the flight was over the gulf. Why wait until you're 40 miles from landing and then nose-dive into a swamp? You either choose to go down in deep water (minimum collateral) or in a populated area for maximum collateral.

Pulaski

I always have the same thought whenever I hear someone, anyone - media, law enforcement, air accident investigators, anyone, trying to rationalize the behaviour of someone who committed suicide, "you're trying to make logical sense of the behaviour of someone who just killed themself!"

scrubbedexpat142

Shoreham air crash - Andy Hill found not guilty.

Pulaski

The BBC's report of the verdict.

I am surprised, but personally I think it is the right outcome.


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scrubbedexpat142

I agree - on both counts.

lansbury

Really. Call me a cynical old retired detective but those two comments do not add up.

materialcontroller

A troubling verdict, on the face of it; but I'm sure the jury considered it carefully. Awful for the families of the victims though.

scrubbedexpat142

Apologies to Pulaski, I missed your original post!

Pulaski

materialcontroller

Yet more tragic news. Another max 8 goes down. This does seem like a stall, with the unstable vertical speed noted.

Ethiopian Airlines: Boeing 737 crashes on way to Kenya

Pulaski

The article says "too early to tell" - are you referring to the initial reports of the Lion Air crash that are included in the article you linked?

materialcontroller

No Pulaski. I'm referring to the actual flight data from flightradar24 which has been widely discussed online all morning.

Sorry, I should have made it clear that bit didn't come from the linked article.

Pulaski

OK, that makes sense. Thanks!

lansbury

I would be very suspect of the flightradar data from that part of the world. How many sending stations do they have and what areas have no coverage. A lot of their data comes from equipment run on a voluntary basis, not from commercial sources.