Planespotting II

Old Mar 7th 2019, 5:28 pm
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Originally Posted by civilservant View Post
Not really - pilots have stalled perfectly good aircraft before. AF447 comes to mind.
True, but stalling a "perfectly good plane" in very challenging weather conditions isn't quite the same as losing a plane in relatively benign conditions. ..... But then there is Asiana 214!

I hate to say it, but if a plane comes down with no immediately obviously/ already known issue, i.e. through conversation with ATC, then these days pilot suicide has to be a significant possibility, not the highest probability, but more than a small one.
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True, but stalling a "perfectly good plane" in very challenging weather conditions isn't quite the same as losing a plane in relatively benign conditions. ..... But then there is Asiana 214!

I hate to say it, but if a plane comes down with no immediately obviously/ already known issue, i.e. through conversation with ATC, then these days pilot suicide has to be a significant possibility, not the highest probability, but more than a small one.
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That was my initial thought but 90% of the flight was over the gulf. Why wait until you're 40 miles from landing and then nose-dive into a swamp? You either choose to go down in deep water (minimum collateral) or in a populated area for maximum collateral.
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That was my initial thought but 90% of the flight was over the gulf. Why wait until you're 40 miles from landing and then nose-dive into a swamp? You either choose to go down in deep water (minimum collateral) or in a populated area for maximum collateral.
I always have the same thought whenever I hear someone, anyone - media, law enforcement, air accident investigators, anyone, trying to rationalize the behaviour of someone who committed suicide, "you're trying to make logical sense of the behaviour of someone who just killed themself!"
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Shoreham air crash - Andy Hill found not guilty.
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Shoreham air crash - Andy Hill found not guilty.
The BBC's report of the verdict.

I am surprised, but personally I think it is the right outcome.


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The BBC's report of the verdict.

I am surprised, but personally I think it is the right outcome.


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I agree - on both counts.
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The former RAF instructor claimed he had blacked out in the air, having experienced "cognitive impairment" brought on by hypoxia possibly due to the effects of G-force.
Mr Hill told the Old Bailey he had no memory from three days before the crash to when he woke from his coma and had spent the last three years "trying to resolve what happened".
Really. Call me a cynical old retired detective but those two comments do not add up.
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Shoreham air crash - Andy Hill found not guilty.
A troubling verdict, on the face of it; but I'm sure the jury considered it carefully. Awful for the families of the victims though.
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From the BBC.
Apologies to Pulaski, I missed your original post!
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A troubling verdict, on the face of it; but I'm sure the jury considered it carefully. ....

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Yet more tragic news. Another max 8 goes down. This does seem like a stall, with the unstable vertical speed noted.

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Yet more tragic news. Another max 8 goes down. This does seem like a stall, with the unstable vertical speed noted.
The article says "too early to tell" - are you referring to the initial reports of the Lion Air crash that are included in the article you linked?
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Originally Posted by Pulaski View Post
The article says "too early to tell" - are you referring to the initial reports of the Lion Air crash that are included in the article you linked?
No Pulaski. I'm referring to the actual flight data from flightradar24 which has been widely discussed online all morning.

Sorry, I should have made it clear that bit didn't come from the linked article.
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No Pulaski. I'm referring to the actual flight data from flightradar24 which has been widely discussed online all morning.

Sorry, I should have made it clear that bit didn't come from the linked article.
OK, that makes sense. Thanks!
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No Pulaski. I'm referring to the actual flight data from flightradar24 which has been widely discussed online all morning.
I would be very suspect of the flightradar data from that part of the world. How many sending stations do they have and what areas have no coverage. A lot of their data comes from equipment run on a voluntary basis, not from commercial sources.

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