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tonrob Sep 8th 2015 10:48 pm

Re: Planespotting
 
Looks like G-VIIO's a gonner...

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2eh1mdsx.jpg

Pulaski Sep 8th 2015 11:00 pm

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Originally Posted by tonrob (Post 11743943)
Looks like G-VIIO's a gonner. .....

:scaredhair:

audio Sep 8th 2015 11:03 pm

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Looks like the fire ate pretty close to the centre fuel tank which can hold around 37,000kgs of fuel when full. Going to need a bit more than gaffer tape on this repair.

Jerseygirl Sep 9th 2015 12:51 am

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Thankfully no one was killed unlike this...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit...urs_Flight_28M

I seem to remember that passengers where initially told to stay in their seats. The ones that took no notice and began to evacuate mostly survived.

Pulaski Sep 9th 2015 1:06 am

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 11744032)
Thankfully no one was killed unlike this...

British_Airtours_Flight_28M

I seem to remember that passengers where initially told to stay in their seats. The ones that took no notice and began to evacuate mostly survived.

That is usually the way in crashes when there are some survivors, but not everyone gets out. Those who climb and clamber out any which way they can (I hear that climbing over the seats is often the most effective route to the exits) are the ones who survive.

audio Sep 9th 2015 2:23 am

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Apparently some evacuees’ took their hand luggage with them. Totally contrary to any announcements that were made. Very inconsiderate and potentially catastrophic in delaying fellow pax.

civilservant Sep 9th 2015 2:45 am

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I've read that too about climbing over seats, in fact Air Crash Investigations did a full episode on it. They showed that the tests for certification are completly different from real life.

Can everyone evacuate safely in 90 seconds when it's orderly? Sure. In chaos, it's a different story. They offered test subjects $500 to get to the exits first to show how an incentive causes people to take extraordinary measures and it really was pure chaos.

Pulaski Sep 9th 2015 3:00 am

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Originally Posted by tonrob (Post 11743943)
Looks like G-VIIO's a gonner. .....

Well it's in the right part of the world for the breakers and recyclers to take care of it. :nod:

scrubbedexpat091 Sep 9th 2015 1:30 pm

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Looks like this bird won't be going back to the UK.

I am always a bit perplexed people think of their bags when the plane is on fire.

Not sure the thought of my bags would even cross my mind if I am being told to evacuate, but I've not experienced so can't say how my reaction would truly be. Nothing in my bag is worth dying over.

This is why I keep my passport in my shirt pocket on a flight, anything else can be easily replaced and not important.

Decent video taken by a passenger on another plane showing the fire response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stsMzxKrr6Q#t=10


I was surprised they opened the doors on the side with the fire, at the airlines I have worked with training was not to use the exits on the side of a fire if there was a side without a fire of course.

RICH Sep 9th 2015 2:05 pm

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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11744574)
Looks like this bird won't be going back to the UK.

I am always a bit perplexed people think of their bags when the plane is on fire.

Not sure the thought of my bags would even cross my mind if I am being told to evacuate, but I've not experienced so can't say how my reaction would truly be. Nothing in my bag is worth dying over.

This is why I keep my passport in my shirt pocket on a flight, anything else can be easily replaced and not important.

Decent video taken by a passenger on another plane showing the fire response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stsMzxKrr6Q#t=10


I was surprised they opened the doors on the side with the fire, at the airlines I have worked with training was not to use the exits on the side of a fire if there was a side without a fire of course.

I left my Kindle on the plane last month, even though it was not a "fire" :getcoat:

lansbury Sep 9th 2015 3:56 pm

Re: Planespotting
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 11744042)
That is usually the way in crashes when there are some survivors, but not everyone gets out. Those who climb and clamber out any which way they can (I hear that climbing over the seats is often the most effective route to the exits) are the ones who survive.

Did a few of the drills at LHR as a volunteer passenger. We did orderly and panic and with orderly more got out in the 90 seconds. Most injuries from something like this are sustained coming down the slides. Do not wear shorts friction burns are not very pleasant.

scrubbedexpat091 Sep 9th 2015 4:00 pm

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Originally Posted by lansbury (Post 11744629)
Did a few of the drills at LHR as a volunteer passenger. We did orderly and panic and with orderly more got out in the 90 seconds. Most injuries from something like this are sustained coming down the slides. Do not wear shorts friction burns are not very pleasant.

Isn't the 90 second evacuation requirement for certification with a % of exits unavailable as well?


Another photo of the plane, close up of engine from the internet.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COeMj42U8AAr_FT.jpg

markonline1 Sep 9th 2015 6:05 pm

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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11744574)
I was surprised they opened the doors on the side with the fire, at the airlines I have worked with training was not to use the exits on the side of a fire if there was a side without a fire of course.

The 777 is a big plane. Only the front and rear doors were opened on the hot side so pax were well away from the fire. Although I did read an account of when the rear door was opened, smoke did start to come into the cabin.

lansbury Sep 10th 2015 6:08 am

Re: Planespotting
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11744631)
Isn't the 90 second evacuation requirement for certification with a % of exits unavailable as well?


I had a quick skim through of this http://www.faa.gov/documentlibrary/m...025.803-1a.pdf and could only see 90 seconds using type A exits. Didn't see anything about a reduced number of exits, but I only just skimmed it.

Some bright spark at LHR decided ground staff should get experience of evacuating an aircraft on fire and we all had to go and do so on the airports fire simulator aircraft. Not a very pleasant experience which having done it I am even more amazed some cretins at LAS hung around long enough to get their carry ons.

lansbury Sep 10th 2015 6:11 am

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In the Telegraph today there is a bit about it being the Captains penultimate trip before he retired. Seems he has decided not to fly again but to retire now. Think he has earned that good luck to him, and the rest of the crew.


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