Minimum wage
#91
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Not sure about that, but I guess the biggest issue is that the current older generation are living off non replaceable accumulated wealth/borrowings which will diminish significantly over time.
So many Government programmes for example rely on the current tax payer coughing up for past liabilities and that only works if the wealth curve is going up.
The NHS is a classic example, but all Western Countries have this issue of unfunded liabilities. Some far worse than the UK.
Quite what happens when it all starts crashing is another issue.
So many Government programmes for example rely on the current tax payer coughing up for past liabilities and that only works if the wealth curve is going up.
The NHS is a classic example, but all Western Countries have this issue of unfunded liabilities. Some far worse than the UK.
Quite what happens when it all starts crashing is another issue.
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I agree with this - a society is built on the menial jobs. No one to stack selves, or hand you your McDonalds, or wait on your table etc.
I get this where I work - all the other departments, CNAs, Nurse and Doctors, all look down on my housekeepers and maintenance staff as not doing anything of value. As a result, they treat my staff like crap. Well if your floors were covered in blood, or poop, or you were hip deep in trash, you'd have trouble operating on patients wouldn't you?
I get this where I work - all the other departments, CNAs, Nurse and Doctors, all look down on my housekeepers and maintenance staff as not doing anything of value. As a result, they treat my staff like crap. Well if your floors were covered in blood, or poop, or you were hip deep in trash, you'd have trouble operating on patients wouldn't you?
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Apologies, I misread your post. But if supply and demand is the primary criteria for the cost of labor, then that also applies to low wage workers.
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Fancy titles are certainly booming.
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If that was implemented in developed countries, I suspect there would also be a lot of $2 per day workers as businessmen cuts costs by finding the cheapest labor available. It would be the race to the bottom for many since someone will always do something cheaper than someone else if they are starving. Then shanty towns are created as that is all anyone can afford. All you have to do is look at Tijuana to see how well that system works.
My first job I was dealing with a company that made clothes for M&S, at that time I think all the clothing was made in the UK, now none of it is.
I worked in the Insurance sector, that was one of the growth areas, but even before I left many of the back office functions that had been moved out of London were moved overseas.
They had Gladiator on the TV last night, you can only appease the mob for so long, you run out of bread.
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Not sure about that, but I guess the biggest issue is that the current older generation are living off non replaceable accumulated wealth/borrowings which will diminish significantly over time.
So many Government programmes for example rely on the current tax payer coughing up for past liabilities and that only works if the wealth curve is going up.
The NHS is a classic example, but all Western Countries have this issue of unfunded liabilities. Some far worse than the UK.
Quite what happens when it all starts crashing is another issue.
So many Government programmes for example rely on the current tax payer coughing up for past liabilities and that only works if the wealth curve is going up.
The NHS is a classic example, but all Western Countries have this issue of unfunded liabilities. Some far worse than the UK.
Quite what happens when it all starts crashing is another issue.
Economists assumed that developed countries would grow at a specific real gdp rate and the projected growth rate was pretty accurate and what they expected was that the benefit from the gdp growth would be more evenly distributed which didn't occur. If the benefits from gdp growth had been more evenly distributed, the problems you described would be significantly reduced.
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The democratic party wants to put in those strict sanctions in the current porposed bill. Illegal immigrants from poor countries will never stop crossing the border in masses without those strict sanctions in place. Also with an F2 visa, the worker can file grievances instead of just accepting the abuse that many employers hand out since they know they won't be reported.
Last edited by Michael; Jul 7th 2014 at 9:44 am.
#100
Although economists didn't expect for the vast increase in life expectancy, a second problem also occurred that they didn't expect which made the problem far worst.
Economists assumed that developed countries would grow at a specific real gdp rate and the projected growth rate was pretty accurate and what they expected was that the benefit from the gdp growth would be more evenly distributed which didn't occur. If the benefits from gdp growth had been more evenly distributed, the problems you described would be significantly reduced.
Economists assumed that developed countries would grow at a specific real gdp rate and the projected growth rate was pretty accurate and what they expected was that the benefit from the gdp growth would be more evenly distributed which didn't occur. If the benefits from gdp growth had been more evenly distributed, the problems you described would be significantly reduced.
#101
I don't think that economists foresaw the massive inflows of cheap labour, both legal and otherwise, that have flooded into North America, the UK, and Western Europe, either. The effect of that flood of cheap labour on holding down pay rates was almost entirely felt by the lowest paid and unskilled workers.
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Although economists didn't expect for the vast increase in life expectancy, a second problem also occurred that they didn't expect which made the problem far worst.
Economists assumed that developed countries would grow at a specific real gdp rate and the projected growth rate was pretty accurate and what they expected was that the benefit from the gdp growth would be more evenly distributed which didn't occur. If the benefits from gdp growth had been more evenly distributed, the problems you described would be significantly reduced.
Economists assumed that developed countries would grow at a specific real gdp rate and the projected growth rate was pretty accurate and what they expected was that the benefit from the gdp growth would be more evenly distributed which didn't occur. If the benefits from gdp growth had been more evenly distributed, the problems you described would be significantly reduced.
I do not recollect any discussions of distribution but a Historian might mention that this had not previously occurred so why now?
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Also prosecuting employers and managers for hiring illegal immigrants would largely eliminate the demand for labour from illegal immigrants. You wouldn't have to lock up many managers, owners, and directors before the word would get around.
What's actually needed is all of the above.
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