Florida shooting
#1201
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Re: Florida shooting
Yeah, so am I - want a medal? I did say they weren't life or death, but for all practical purposes, telephones of any variety are orders of magnitude more useful to the average person than a gun.
All these gun cultists are choosing to die on the hill of defending an archaic right to own a toy that goes bang. Pretty sad, really.
All these gun cultists are choosing to die on the hill of defending an archaic right to own a toy that goes bang. Pretty sad, really.
I have a feeling that some people if they need to choose between their Gun and Mobile would happily get rid of the Mobile.
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Re: Florida shooting
Had a similar conversation about Satellite TV vs Internet recently, I would give up TV if I had to lose one, my friends do not have Internet so it was a non issue for them.
I have a feeling that some people if they need to choose between their Gun and Mobile would happily get rid of the Mobile.
I have a feeling that some people if they need to choose between their Gun and Mobile would happily get rid of the Mobile.
It's not related to the gun owners on here. You, OF and Ben appear to have yours for fun or sport. Civilservant has his for home defense. I can get on board with that because you're all pretty level headed, even if you do get a bit defensive from time to time
It's the 'cultists' I'm aiming my derision at. Like the bloke round my way who has the Second Amendment as a massive bumper sticker on his truck. Like, who the hell does that - defines themselves by their guns. It's maximum cringe. IDGAF if Joe Bloke over there bought himself a gun to hunt with, or if that person as a pistol in their night stand. Keep it to yourself and we good.
But then there's a tragedy like Florida, or Vegas or Sandy Hook and you get these nut jobs doubling down because they think these events only happened as a precursor to some deep state gun grab - surely even a seasoned shitposter like yourself can see why some of us might get mildly annoyed at these people?
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Re: Florida shooting
I am sure we all have weird interests, well interests that we find normal but others do not.
My favourite pastime is playing Squash and the odd Beer. I was having a beer with a friend yesterday whose passion is Motor Racing, if a big race is on the TV he will be watching it.
Another friend is what in the US we call Foamers, in the UK and Anorak. Big time.
Another friend is a big Hunter, everything stops for Hunting, his Wife knows better than to even suggest anything else could happen during Second Rifle. I am happy to go for a few days but do not share his dedication.
Anyway none of these is an essential, most of my driving is not essential, probably 90% of all miles driven are not essential. If you get down to the basics most of what we do is not essential.
My favourite pastime is playing Squash and the odd Beer. I was having a beer with a friend yesterday whose passion is Motor Racing, if a big race is on the TV he will be watching it.
Another friend is what in the US we call Foamers, in the UK and Anorak. Big time.
Another friend is a big Hunter, everything stops for Hunting, his Wife knows better than to even suggest anything else could happen during Second Rifle. I am happy to go for a few days but do not share his dedication.
Anyway none of these is an essential, most of my driving is not essential, probably 90% of all miles driven are not essential. If you get down to the basics most of what we do is not essential.
#1204
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Re: Florida shooting
Well, yes, that's exactly what I was getting at.
At the end of the day it's just a gun. Too many people (outside of this thread) place too much importance on their guns that simply isn't objectively there.
People who think guns are cool? People who are hunters, marksmen, collectors? I'm all good with that. Even people who have guns for home defense, even if I don't buy into the idea that it makes them safer, they're not really doing any harm in the long run. They're fine. We all have our hobbies and interests, and for many guns are what they are passionate about and I'm all in with that outlook.
But a person who sees a news report about a mass shooting and responds by posting pictures of themselves trying to look all 'badass' with a gun saying they'll shoot someone who tries to 'take it from them' p-r-o-b-a-b-l-y isn't really mentally stable enough to own a gun in the first place.
At the end of the day it's just a gun. Too many people (outside of this thread) place too much importance on their guns that simply isn't objectively there.
People who think guns are cool? People who are hunters, marksmen, collectors? I'm all good with that. Even people who have guns for home defense, even if I don't buy into the idea that it makes them safer, they're not really doing any harm in the long run. They're fine. We all have our hobbies and interests, and for many guns are what they are passionate about and I'm all in with that outlook.
But a person who sees a news report about a mass shooting and responds by posting pictures of themselves trying to look all 'badass' with a gun saying they'll shoot someone who tries to 'take it from them' p-r-o-b-a-b-l-y isn't really mentally stable enough to own a gun in the first place.
#1205
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Re: Florida shooting
Well, yes, that's exactly what I was getting at.
At the end of the day it's just a gun. Too many people (outside of this thread) place too much importance on their guns that simply isn't objectively there.
People who think guns are cool? People who are hunters, marksmen, collectors? I'm all good with that. Even people who have guns for home defense, even if I don't buy into the idea that it makes them safer, they're not really doing any harm in the long run. They're fine. We all have our hobbies and interests, and for many guns are what they are passionate about and I'm all in with that outlook.
But a person who sees a news report about a mass shooting and responds by posting pictures of themselves trying to look all 'badass' with a gun saying they'll shoot someone who tries to 'take it from them' p-r-o-b-a-b-l-y isn't really mentally stable enough to own a gun in the first place.
At the end of the day it's just a gun. Too many people (outside of this thread) place too much importance on their guns that simply isn't objectively there.
People who think guns are cool? People who are hunters, marksmen, collectors? I'm all good with that. Even people who have guns for home defense, even if I don't buy into the idea that it makes them safer, they're not really doing any harm in the long run. They're fine. We all have our hobbies and interests, and for many guns are what they are passionate about and I'm all in with that outlook.
But a person who sees a news report about a mass shooting and responds by posting pictures of themselves trying to look all 'badass' with a gun saying they'll shoot someone who tries to 'take it from them' p-r-o-b-a-b-l-y isn't really mentally stable enough to own a gun in the first place.
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Re: Florida shooting
You can look at that the other way too - personally I hate trucks, they're ugly as **** and they act as a passive precursor to being made to do boring shit like DIY. But I'm not trying to take them off you. Neither am I trying to take away your guns. I just DGAF about them, that's all.
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Re: Florida shooting
Probably best to keep out of the Cars thread, lot of posts recently about Trucks.
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Re: Florida shooting
Anyway, that's off topic - do you at least get the point I was trying to make? That my apathy towards guns themselves doesn't mean I'm in any way trying to advocate for confiscation? That we are all in agreement that one more person killed by a gun is one person too many, and that I would think 'guilt by association', and wanting to preserve their hobby is a reason why gun owners should be on board with doing whatever it takes to make that a reality?
If, at the end of the day as I said to OF a few days ago, all gun owners get to keep their guns (and I'm not getting into type restrictions here because I don't necessarily agree with that) that nothing should be off the table for discussion if we're working towards the same goal?
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Re: Florida shooting
I personally would ban cigarettes, if I could.
But I can not so do let it bother me.
But I can not so do let it bother me.
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Re: Florida shooting
I didn't say I wanted to ban guns though. Guns aren't what bother me, people being killed by them is. Unfortunately there is no perfect solution to this problem, but it does often seem like much of the rest of the developed world has some kind of a handle on it but the US, like in so many other areas, is lagging far behind its cohorts.
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Re: Florida shooting
Sadly many on here do want to ban.
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Re: Florida shooting
I haven't seen that, at least not an outright ban, some may well want to ban certain types. But at the same time, they aren't lawmakers so it's not like that means that a ban is forthcoming.
A great many people in the wider world outside of this thread also want a ban, outright or otherwise, but again, that doesn't mean it's actually going to happen. No politician is going to risk losing votes by doing that.
A great many people in the wider world outside of this thread also want a ban, outright or otherwise, but again, that doesn't mean it's actually going to happen. No politician is going to risk losing votes by doing that.
#1214
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I haven't seen anyone looking for an outright ban. But as has been said ad infinitum, and as "many on here" choose to ignore, there are certain classes of weapons that do not belong in the hands of civilians, and no one has come up with a legitimate, let alone convincing, argument as to why they are so absolutely essential to everyday life.