scrubbedexpat091

Your typical American has never known anything else and politicians and special interests groups use scare tactics which seem to work, maybe one day people will wake up.

I recognize the flaws in what we have in Canada, but the system overall works, yes its not as quick as the US system and is triage based, but waits really only occur for things that wont kill you, if doctors find cancer your in treatment within a couple days and you will have a whopping bill of $0 for treatment, although you may have to pay for parking.

End up with a heart attack and spend a month in ICU, you wont get any bills at the end.

In the long run its also less costly all around and last I saw most health outcomes were on par and some even exceeding the US but spending less per person to do it.

UkWinds5353

Sound like you believe Sanders is willing to compromise but that is not how he portrays his agenda and showing a lack middle ground only hurts his position with the very voters he will need to gain the nomination. He is not in a strong enough position to keep his cards hidden if that is his intent. Moderates are looking at Biden and other options because Sanders is too liberal for their taste.

It is quite normal for Democrat and Republican candidates to track back to the center once securing their respective party's nomination but Sanders being a Socialist is starting from a questionable beginning at least for American politics. There has never been a admitted Socialist to win a major party's nomination and in America that fact is not going to change any time soon. But to be honest with you this election will be decided by Independents and they are not liberal voters. You rightfully imo said that Republicans currently in office will not go out of their way to work with Biden. But the same is true with moderate voters who often vote with Republican. They are not going to support Sanders.

zargof

I'm saying that Sanders knows how Washington works and he's not delusional like Biden in thinking the GOP are going to work with him. His theory of change is to go to the people and get them involved. Campaign against any politician that won't support his agenda, use the bully pulpit that the Presidency provides. But also he isn't going to fold or compromise his positions because the genius pundits and consultants that got the last election so badly wrong think it's going to hurt him. Look at what happened to Harris and Warren, once the backed off from M4A, their support in the polls fell. It's not a coincidence.

There's a good chance that Sanders wins IA, NH, NV and CA, which would put him in a very strong position to win the nomination. Right now, Biden is still just a bit more likely, but his support is dropping all the time, while Sanders is only getting stronger.

You say all these things, but you have no data to back them up. Look at the general election polling and you will see Sanders is up there with Biden when it comes to beating Trump. Sanders also has strong support amongst independents despite what you might think.

Giantaxe

You're missing my point which is that you're being intellectually dishonest in ignoring the costs of the current mess of systems (18% of GDP) and the lack of access millions have (which adds economic costs of its own). You drone on about the costs of Medicare for All, but unless and until you're willing to compare those costs with current costs, you're pissing in the wind.

And btw I'm not even a supporter of Medicare for All policies that abolish private insurance. It's not politically possible and will likely be at least partially thrown out by the courts.

zargof

M4A doesn't abolish private insurance, only duplicative insurance. Probably doesn't change the political ramifications. Not sure on the legal ones.

Giantaxe

Warren's version does.

zargof

No it doesn't:

"Per the terms of the Medicare for All Act, supplemental private insurance that doesn’t duplicate the benefits of Medicare for All would still be available. But by avoiding duplicative insurance and integrating every American into the new program, the American people would save trillions of dollars on health costs. "

https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/m4a-transition

Giantaxe

Which assuredly will rule out all current employer-provided and ACA policies. And relegate private insurance to a limited niche of supplemental insurance.Effectively, she's abolishing private policies for people's healthcare access.

scrubbedexpat099

Amazing how they have gone from everybody has to buy Insurance to nobody can in such a short period.

Giantaxe

The Republicans didn't seem very interested in requiring everyone buying insurance, so maybe they'll prefer this approach then

zargof

Well yes, but that's not the same thing. Besides a public option if implemented correctly would do the same thing.

Giantaxe

What current insurance policies would be allowed to continue to exist? You can parse it however you like, but if you are going to confine insurance to just providing supplementary insurance you have effectively abolished private insurance from providing people's health care access. Everyone would be required to use Medicare and no one with an existing policy would be allowed to keep it.

johnwoo

It appears that for many who enjoy work provided health insurance, ultimately paid for by the consumer, and retired people with medicare, aren't bothered. Just don't raise my taxes.
In fact some show more concerned for multi millionaires than for the poor and the homeless.

scrubbedexpat091

Such an odd way of thinking some people have.

johnwoo

and we don't have to look far to find them.