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Old Aug 2nd 2019, 5:53 pm
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This whole importing drugs from Canada the US is talking about is not going over well here at all.

The reason prices in Canada are lower is because the government has price controls in place, the US could do the same and presto lower prices, importing from Canada isn't going to fix the issue of pricing in the US.
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Originally Posted by Boiler
Are they providing Reparations?

Does Canada provide free Healthcare to non Residents?
No Canada does not provide covered healthcare to non-residents. Also keep in mind healthcare is run at the provincial level, we have no national healthcare system, every province is a bit different in what they cover, and how they operate their healthcare system.

For a non-resident to obtain healthcare they will need to pay for it, in an emergency in a hospital treatment will be provided then patient billed/asked to pay before leaving, non-emergency paid before services are provided.

There are residency requirements that must be met to maintain coverage, varies by province.

Here is eligibility for BC.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/h...e-you-eligible


Not everything is covered either its not 100% coverage for all healthcare needs.

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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
No Canada does not provide covered healthcare to non-residents. Also keep in mind healthcare is run at the provincial level, we have no national healthcare system, every province is a bit different in what they cover, and how they operate their healthcare system.

For a non-resident to obtain healthcare they will need to pay for it, in an emergency in a hospital treatment will be provided then patient billed/asked to pay before leaving, non-emergency paid before services are provided.

There are residency requirements that must be met to maintain coverage, varies by province.

Here is eligibility for BC.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/h...e-you-eligible


Not everything is covered either its not 100% coverage for all healthcare needs.
Well that clarifies that.

Now I think of it there has been a call for Reparations in the UK

https://www.theguardian.com/news/201...ainst-humanity

When will Britain face up to its crimes against humanity?

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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
This whole importing drugs from Canada the US is talking about is not going over well here at all.

The reason prices in Canada are lower is because the government has price controls in place, the US could do the same and presto lower prices, importing from Canada isn't going to fix the issue of pricing in the US.
Not a usual topic of discussion but seems to be a lot of people who have mentioned they do buy online from Canada.

Needs someone like Amazon to get into the market. May not solve the issue but could really help.
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Originally Posted by Anian
As long as the Republicans can keep convincing people that socialism mean Venezuela rather than Canada or Europe.
One of my sisters-in-law - who is pretty reasonable generally - says the same thing, that socialism = Venezuela and universal healthcare = socialism. She doesn't want to acknowledge that other countries do pretty well providing universal healthcare.
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
One of my sisters-in-law - who is pretty reasonable generally - says the same thing, that socialism = Venezuela and universal healthcare = socialism. She doesn't want to acknowledge that other countries do pretty well providing universal healthcare.
Wee have already clarified that Canada does not. So which Country did you have in mind?
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Originally Posted by zargof
That was my point, it's pretty meaningless. But you have repeatedly used these numbers to try and prove that people don't want to lose their employer insurance. That is what I was objecting to.
Some poll numbers here. It doesn't specifically call out employer provided healthcare, but "private plans".

"13 percent of respondents said they would prefer a health care system that covers all citizens and doesn't allow for private plans"

"Twenty-six percent of respondents said they wanted a government insurance plan offered to all citizens, but one that doesn't compel people with private plans to use it, a system sometimes called a "public option.""

"The most popular option, at 32 percent, consisted of a universal, government-operated system that also would allow people to buy private, supplemental insurance."

etc...

I would quibble at the phrasing of some of those questions, but nevertheless it's interesting information.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-amer...healthcare-for
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Originally Posted by Boiler
Wee have already clarified that Canada does not. So which Country did you have in mind?
We've also already established that Boiler is a troll.
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Originally Posted by Anian
As long as the Republicans can keep convincing people that socialism mean Venezuela rather than Canada or Europe.
Originally Posted by Boiler
Are they providing Reparations?

Does Canada provide free Healthcare to non Residents?
OK, boiler - what relevance does reparations have to the issue of socialism, Venezuela, Canada, etc? Answer - absolutely none.

And by asking the question "Does Canada provide free Healthcare to non-Residents", I presume you are implying that the current democratic proposals DO plan to offer healthcare to non-residents? I don't agree with that assertion. Please back it up.

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Wee have already clarified that Canada does not. So which Country did you have in mind?
What we established is that Canada does not have a national / federal 'universal' program; but it does have a set of provincial programs, so it does achieve the same goal.
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
Some poll numbers here. It doesn't specifically call out employer provided healthcare, but "private plans".

"13 percent of respondents said they would prefer a health care system that covers all citizens and doesn't allow for private plans"

"Twenty-six percent of respondents said they wanted a government insurance plan offered to all citizens, but one that doesn't compel people with private plans to use it, a system sometimes called a "public option.""

"The most popular option, at 32 percent, consisted of a universal, government-operated system that also would allow people to buy private, supplemental insurance."

etc...

I would quibble at the phrasing of some of those questions, but nevertheless it's interesting information.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-amer...healthcare-for
And I presume the 'most popular' option - universal, govt. operated, but with an option for private / supplemental insurance, is going to be a non-starter due to the lack of a mandate? I'd vote for that option too ...
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
OK, boiler - what relevance does reparations have to the issue of socialism, Venezuela, Canada, etc? Answer - absolutely none.

And by asking the question "Does Canada provide free Healthcare to non-Residents", I presume you are implying that the current democratic proposals DO plan to offer healthcare to non-residents? I don't agree with that assertion. Please back it up.


What we established is that Canada does not have a national / federal 'universal' program; but it does have a set of provincial programs, so it does achieve the same goal.
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/10/74014...ted-immigrants
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/01/heal...nst-trump.html

*patiently awaiting moronic liberal to question authenticity of NPR and CNBC stating it's a Republican bandwagon*
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
And I presume the 'most popular' option - universal, govt. operated, but with an option for private / supplemental insurance, is going to be a non-starter due to the lack of a mandate? I'd vote for that option too ...
Actually that is the option that describes Bernie Sanders' plan. It's just that it's comprehensive coverage, so the only supplemental insurance required is for elective procedures such as plastic surgery.

Again there is no mandate other than the current mandate to pay your taxes.
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
And by asking the question "Does Canada provide free Healthcare to non-Residents", I presume you are implying that the current democratic proposals DO plan to offer healthcare to non-residents? I don't agree with that assertion. Please back it up.

What we established is that Canada does not have a national / federal 'universal' program; but it does have a set of provincial programs, so it does achieve the same goal.
He's trolling that they don't have universal healthcare because they don't provide healthcare to undocumented people.
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
And I presume the 'most popular' option - universal, govt. operated, but with an option for private / supplemental insurance, is going to be a non-starter due to the lack of a mandate? I'd vote for that option too ...
Paying taxes is a form of mandate, just like it is for current Medicare. But certainly supplemental insurance is going to be questionable given its likely risk pool. So it comes down to a question of just how comprehensive the government-provided option is.

Edit: not quite as much a mandate as for the NHS. Given 90% of the NHS's funding comes out of general taxation, it's pretty difficult to avoid funding it even if not employed (think VAT etc). If "Medicare for all" is funded out of just income taxes as at present, the mandate is not as broad.

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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
He's trolling that they don't have universal healthcare because they don't provide healthcare to undocumented people.
I certainly know that Canadians may not have cover in Canada either.

And if I visited the UK I would get some treatment under the NHS but certainly not all I did.

I could go through every other EU country, they all have limitations, the one thing in common is that none of them offer universal health care.
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