Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12704478)

"I am black and I am proud of it.'

If that's playing the "African American Card" then... ok. Sounds like it's the other side that would like to play that card against her.

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She's very impressive. Not ready to vote for her yet, but she is one of about five that I would be fine with as the Democratic candidate. As for baggage, the biggest thing that will be held against her is that when she was San Francisco's DA, she declined to press for the death penalty in a case where a police officer was murdered. The murderer got life without possibility of parole. It was a hugely controversial moment with Dianne Feinstein denouncing the decision at the police officer's funeral.

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 12704499)

So that's perhaps the best reason why 'medicare for all' needs to be an exclusive system, and private insurance has to be all-but eliminated. If the primary payment method for M4A is going to be taxation on income, then it will have to be paid by everyone which would be an issue with private insurance. So the only way my 'preferred' M4A' solution would work (opt-in) would be to have M4A participants below the age of 65 pay a premium just like an insurance premium. Would that work?

Over 65 - Medicare provided 'for free' by govt. (no change)
Under 65 choosing to 'opt in' to Medicare - pay a fee to the govt to cover the cost
Under 65 choosing to stay with private insurance - pay a premium to an insurance company (or get the premium paid by the employer).

In other words, you can't provide 'M4A' through taxation. I'm perfectly OK with that but would it work?

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12704480)

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Would she qualify for Reparations? I assume not.

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12704480)

I know enough to be slightly taken back when she went after Biden when her own past has so many issues.

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12704510)

Presumably it could work just like the ACA works:- pay a premium to "opt in" to Medicare and provide subsidies for those on lower incomes.

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 12704511)

Boiler - you are a piece of work!

What on earth is the relevance of reparations? That is so far 'out there' as to be ridiculous. What if she did qualify? What if she didn't? You are just trying to keep alive a narrative that is not relevant.

You were really taken aback? You, for whom " I certainly do not know the full extent" is a regular expression? You really think she has 'so many issues'? You are playing games.

Originally Posted by civilservant (Post 12704514)

I think the point he's trying to insinuate is that she is not African American but is trying to co-opt their history.

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12704512)

How does that work when you are including the Undocumented?

Originally Posted by civilservant (Post 12704514)

I think the point he's trying to insinuate is that she is not African American but is trying to co-opt their history.

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 12704521)

The ACA provides premium assistance in the form of tax credits. So if the 'undocumented' in question are paying taxes, presumably that's how it would work.

Are you asking this to bring up the issue of whether or not the undocumented will get state-subsidized healthcare? Search Engine Optimization techniques, perhaps - throw all the keywords into a post and it will show up in google searches?

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 12704525)

I see. Her father was Jamaican and her mother was Indian. So she's clearly of 'African' descent on her father's side, which means she shares the same 'origins' as 'African Americans'. If her father is a black jamaican, one would presume his history includes being a descendent of slaves at some point - how else did his family end up in Jamaica?

Amazing that this would be a topic of discussion.

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12704557)

Well we all go back to Africa if you want to go far enough, but she certainly did not make clear that her Parents were not African Americans but PHD's at Berkeley, many people who saw that could come away with a very different view and I would not blame them.

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12704556)

That is not what they said, and tax credits are very little help to somebody not paying taxes or are very little in the way of taxes. Normally in that situation you would be on Medicaid not Medicare.