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RoadWarriorFromLP Sep 20th 2015 9:36 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 11753589)
I guess my real question is how are so many included in the debate?

The criteria were set by the cable channels that hosted them.

sir_eccles Sep 20th 2015 10:01 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 11753648)
The criteria were set by the cable channels that hosted them.

And then changed to suit their needs and include Fiorina.

FlaviusAetius Sep 20th 2015 11:41 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 11753648)
The criteria were set by the cable channels that hosted them.

A good question is why either the DNC or the RNC allow the cable channels to set the criteria. Would they refuse to carry a debate where the party sets the rules?

zargof Sep 21st 2015 2:32 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11753727)
A good question is why either the DNC or the RNC allow the cable channels to set the criteria. Would they refuse to carry a debate where the party sets the rules?

I'm not sure, but what I do know is that neither the RNC or the DNC will allow any debate that they don't authorise, and any candidate participating in an unauthorised debate will be banned from all the authorised debates.

Leslie Sep 21st 2015 2:47 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
Bigots of color. Awesome.

Giantaxe Sep 21st 2015 3:00 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11753610)
Pakistan is indeed, a Sunni Muslim country, but not a radical one, and I feel confident it would only sell nukes and delivery systems to such countries as Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey - for the right price, and with appropriate deniability measures in place. But its politics is pretty dodgy and it has a very large, mostly uncontrolled, radical population on its NW frontier area - that could stage a coup at some point.

So remind me again what this has to do with the US Presidential election??

zargof Sep 21st 2015 3:04 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11754221)
So remind me again what this has to do with the US Presidential election??

Foreign policy. Which of the candidates will bomb the shit out of them just in case.

Leslie Sep 21st 2015 3:06 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 11733299)
Yeah, and something that nobody is talking about ... Trump mentioned Ferguson and Detroit when he was lecturing Ramos about gangs and murderers. That's just Trump telegraphing his next dog whistle to the base. We're going to have to start a list:

Mexicans
Chinese
Black Americans

Muslims should be coming down the pipe soon.

Less than a month. I love it when a plan comes together.

FlaviusAetius Sep 21st 2015 3:40 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 11754223)
Foreign policy. Which of the candidates will bomb the shit out of them just in case.

Thank you. Foreign policy in this election - given the state of current events - may be near the top of voters' concerns this time.

Each of the candidates, on both sides, is trying to convince you that they know more about how to deal with the world than the current occupant of the WH, which should be child's play.

On the Republican side there is a range of views from "bomb the shit out of them" (Trump) to strict isolationism, war only if they bomb Pearl Harbor (Rand). On the Democratic side you have a former Secretary of State who will dazzle you with her resume and try her level best to reassure you that she actually does know what to do when the phone rings at 3:00 AM - this time. Choose your poison.

Hopefully each of the more likely candidates has some clue about how to navigate the treacherous sands of the Middle East.

Leslie Sep 21st 2015 3:53 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11754259)
Thank you. Foreign policy in this election - given the state of current events - may be near the top of voters' concerns this time.

Each of the candidates, on both sides, is trying to convince you that they know more about how to deal with the world than the current occupant of the WH, which should be child's play.

On the Republican side there is a range of views from "bomb the shit out of them" (Trump) to strict isolationism, war only if they bomb Pearl Harbor (Rand). On the Democratic side you have a former Secretary of State who will dazzle you with her resume and try her level best to reassure you that she actually does know what to do when the phone rings at 3:00 AM - this time. Choose your poison.

Hopefully each of the more likely candidates has some clue about how to navigate the treacherous sands of the Middle East.

Are you even following this election? :blink:

Donald Trump hasn't said much of anything about bombing anybody. For that matter, he hasn't said anything substantive at all about foreign policy because he doesn't have a foreign policy. Lindsey Graham is the one wanting to bomb the shit out of everybody.

Hillary Clinton is just as hawkish as the majority of the Republican bench.

Truth of the matter though ... without a major event, Americans do not vote on foreign policy.

Giantaxe Sep 21st 2015 6:04 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11754259)
Thank you. Foreign policy in this election - given the state of current events - may be near the top of voters' concerns this time.

Ok, cool. Odd, though, that you would have latched on to Carson's comments about the illegitimacy of a Muslim president to start that discussion.

FlaviusAetius Sep 21st 2015 6:05 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 11754270)
Are you even following this election? :blink:

Donald Trump hasn't said much of anything about bombing anybody. For that matter, he hasn't said anything substantive at all about foreign policy because he doesn't have a foreign policy. Lindsey Graham is the one wanting to bomb the shit out of everybody.

Hillary Clinton is just as hawkish as the majority of the Republican bench.

Truth of the matter though ... without a major event, Americans do not vote on foreign policy.

Foreign policy may not be the #1 concern of voters in the general, but in the primaries it is in the top tier of concerns.

As Hillary moves left, the main thing separating her from Bernie is foreign policy. For Republicans, it's who they think presents the most clear-eyed view of the world, as it's assumed (by R voters) that any of them would do better with the economy than any of the Dem contenders.

So although I agree with you that American elections aren't usually decided by foreign policy positions of the candidates, those positions are very important in the primaries and the primaries will determine who runs in the general.

Giantaxe Sep 21st 2015 6:21 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11754380)
Foreign policy may not be the #1 concern of voters in the general, but in the primaries it is in the top tier of concerns.

Foreign affairs comes lower than a number of other issues according to this poll. Even if we throw in "terroism" in general, it still rates as a lower concern than "The way government operates in Washington" and "Healthcare Policy". Additionally,


Americans' ascribed importance to terrorism and foreign affairs as election issues are no higher than what Gallup has measured in past presidential election cycles.

Economy Trumps Foreign Affairs as Key 2016 Election Issue

FlaviusAetius Sep 21st 2015 6:23 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11754379)
Ok, cool. Odd, though, that you would have latched on to Carson's comments about the illegitimacy of a Muslim president to start that discussion.

Actually, it was the Right Honorable member, sir_eccles, who latched onto that issue and made a very clever comment about it.

I supposed it might be the concern of some, and pointed out that it would make no difference to us. Now, if the candidate's position were to impose Sharia Law in the US, that position would clearly be against the Constitution although it still wouldn't disqualify the candidate. So I disagree with Carson.

FlaviusAetius Sep 21st 2015 7:28 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11754392)
Foreign affairs comes lower than a number of other issues according to this poll. Even if we throw in "terroism" in general, it still rates as a lower concern than "The way government operates in Washington" and "Healthcare Policy". Additionally,

Economy Trumps Foreign Affairs as Key 2016 Election Issue

We'll see if that poll holds up. Probably foreign policy interests me more than most people. By the way, are you a fan of the Lancaster F.C.?


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