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sir_eccles Sep 18th 2015 5:48 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11752103)
The Republicans are digging a hole for themselves on this, because their candidates are too timid to come out and correct this crap because so many of their constituents falsely believe that Obama is both a muslim and a non-American.

They double down. Hey Trump's numbers went up when he said it, we should say it too.

Where are the moderate Republicans denouncing Trump? Sanders has said something at least.

Sanders: Trump should rebuke birther comments | TheHill

RoadWarriorFromLP Sep 18th 2015 5:55 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Lord PercyPercy (Post 11752224)
You forgot a brain surgeon who doesn't believe in evolution.

Until Carson came along, I had no idea that brain surgery could be self-performed.

Giantaxe Sep 18th 2015 6:10 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 11752237)
They double down. Hey Trump's numbers went up when he said it, we should say it too.

Where are the moderate Republicans denouncing Trump? Sanders has said something at least.

Sanders: Trump should rebuke birther comments | TheHill

Two have:

Republicans round on Donald Trump in 'Obama Muslim' row - BBC News

sir_eccles Sep 18th 2015 6:12 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11752260)

I just saw that myself. Graham and Christie, woohoo.

RoadWarriorFromLP Sep 18th 2015 6:14 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
Standing up against bigotry is a risk to GOP candidates, which says a lot about the party's populist base.

username.exe Sep 18th 2015 12:44 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 11752265)
Standing up against bigotry is a risk to GOP candidates, which says a lot about the party's populist base.

Especially when it's only a couple of peripherary candidates.

sir_eccles Sep 20th 2015 4:40 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
Talking of Carson. Seems he is another example of someone who holds the constitution so close to his heart that he can't read it properly.

Ben Carson Says Muslims Should Be Disqualified From Presidency | ThinkProgress

Nope, you can't have a religious test for office.

Leslie Sep 20th 2015 6:19 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11751221)
For once I agree with you. Fiorina could help herself if she smiled occasionally. I appreciated Cruz' discussion regarding how to propose a candidate for the Supreme Court, but he has a rather off-putting high-pitched delivery. Perhaps a good legal mind, but he'll be staying in the Senate.

One of Fiorina biggest problems is botox. It blocks the nerve impulses from reaching the facial muscles and, IMO, results in communication confusion. She's stone faced while making impassioned statements. Some people, by their own nature, actually are stone faced and don't give away much, but if they ever do smile, the smile will reach their eyes.

She's had botox around her mouth and eyes. This eliminates most of the micro expressions which are natural to human communication. John Kerry has done the same thing and I am not comfortable watching him in interviews anymore. It's like trying to communicate with somebody who is wearing a mask.

Leslie Sep 20th 2015 6:49 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 11752237)
They double down. Hey Trump's numbers went up when he said it, we should say it too.

Where are the moderate Republicans denouncing Trump? Sanders has said something at least.

Sanders: Trump should rebuke birther comments | TheHill


Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11752260)


Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 11752263)
I just saw that myself. Graham and Christie, woohoo.


Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 11752265)
Standing up against bigotry is a risk to GOP candidates, which says a lot about the party's populist base.


That's rich coming from Graham and Christie. They both constantly stoke the Islamaphobia that's rife in the Republican party. Christie with the pro NSA surveillance position that he props up with 911, "They're all trying to kill us." Lindsey Graham spent the entire pre-debate/debate talking about how, if he's elected, he effectively plans to bomb the entire Muslim world off the face of the map.

Let's don't forget that it was the birther issue that initially got Trump Republican attention (that he so desperately craves) and the majority of his followers firmly believe that Obama is a Muslim plant. There are some people who will never, ever, believe a black person can be anything but bad. They have been brainwashed, some from birth, and lack the intellectual capacity and decency of heart to ever change. Donald Trump tapped into that segment and subsequently became completely addicted to their slavish devotion to him and his message.

Also, Mitt ****ing Romney went to Trump, hat in hand, for his endorsement just 4 short years ago ... at the very height of Trump's birther campaign.

FlaviusAetius Sep 20th 2015 6:52 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 11753489)
Talking of Carson. Seems he is another example of someone who holds the constitution so close to his heart that he can't read it properly.

Ben Carson Says Muslims Should Be Disqualified From Presidency | ThinkProgress

Nope, you can't have a religious test for office.

Years ago there was fear that France might end up with a majority Muslim parliament and a Muslim president - so they would end up with France's force de frappe. That might happen anyway, but Pakistan is one coup away from that and Iran will shortly have theirs, followed almost immediately by Saudi Arabia (Pak's nukes can be bought, along with delivery systems, to the right buyers).

If you listen to some of Trump's supporters, we already have a Muslim President now. Of course there is no religious litmus test. So...if we elected a Keith Ellison (well, if Democratic voters, with their "first black," "first woman," "first gay" enthusiasms elected him) we'd have our first Muslim president - but then, who would we threaten with our nukes?

Leslie Sep 20th 2015 7:17 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 11752218)
I'm impressed that we can live in a country with 310 million people, and the GOP contenders for president include a failed CEO who is running on her track record, the brother of a failed president who is running on his brother's track record, a reality TV host, and a Canadian Hispanic who wants to deport Latino immigrants. It must be tough to find good help these days.

Okay, I've been seriously confused about how some of these people qualify for the primaries. Admittedly, I don't understand exactly what is required to get into the primaries but it seems like anybody is allowed in these days. Former representative and Louisiana governor, Buddy Roemer, launched a whining campaign about how he was being unfairly kept out of the primary in the 2012 race yet, this year, Santorum and Pataki got in.

RoadWarriorFromLP Sep 20th 2015 7:25 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 11753572)
Okay, I've been seriously confused about how some of these people qualify for the primaries.

Anybody can run for anything, even if the party leadership isn't happy about it. You could attempt to run for president as a Republican if you wanted to.

Leslie Sep 20th 2015 7:31 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 11753581)
Anybody can run for anything, even if the party leadership isn't happy about it. You could attempt to run for president as a Republican if you wanted to.

I guess my real question is how are so many included in the debate? And what happened to Gilmore? I read somewhere he got "eliminated". I honestly have no idea what I'm talking about here, tbh. :blink:

sir_eccles Sep 20th 2015 7:37 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11753555)
Years ago there was fear that France might end up with a majority Muslim parliament and a Muslim president - so they would end up with France's force de frappe. That might happen anyway, but Pakistan is one coup away from that and Iran will shortly have theirs, followed almost immediately by Saudi Arabia (Pak's nukes can be bought, along with delivery systems, to the right buyers).

If you listen to some of Trump's supporters, we already have a Muslim President now. Of course there is no religious litmus test. So...if we elected a Keith Ellison (well, if Democratic voters, with their "first black," "first woman," "first gay" enthusiasms elected him) we'd have our first Muslim president - but then, who would we threaten with our nukes?

Pakistan has pretty much always been a Muslim country. Not sure what you are trying to say there.

FlaviusAetius Sep 20th 2015 8:00 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 11753593)
Pakistan has pretty much always been a Muslim country. Not sure what you are trying to say there.

Pakistan is indeed, a Sunni Muslim country, but not a radical one, and I feel confident it would only sell nukes and delivery systems to such countries as Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey - for the right price, and with appropriate deniability measures in place. But its politics is pretty dodgy and it has a very large, mostly uncontrolled, radical population on its NW frontier area - that could stage a coup at some point.


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