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FlaviusAetius Nov 9th 2015 12:49 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11789327)
Yeh, I mean fancy McCarthy being honest about Gowdy's little charade of an "investigation". The horror of it!

Not unlike Maxine Waters' famous slip of the tongue threatening the oil companies with nationalization, which tipped us off that many Democrats really are socialists at heart.

(The Honorable Maxine Waters should probably be considered that version of a socialist [a liberal?] where the only difference between a socialist and a communist is whether it is politically expedient for the politician to declare him/herself to be a communist. Most modern Euro-socialists no longer call for nationalizing the commanding heights of the economy.)

Now that Bernie - a declared "social democrat" (which aligns him with the European socialist parties) - has registered as a Democrat (to get into the NH primary) and has enormous support amongst Democrats, we should conclude that a significant portion of Democrats are socialists of the European model.

Giantaxe Nov 9th 2015 2:20 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11789613)
Not unlike Maxine Waters' famous slip of the tongue threatening the oil companies with nationalization, which tipped us off that many Democrats really are socialists at heart. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_93SldBytjE

(The Honorable Maxine Waters should probably be considered that version of a socialist [a liberal?] where the only difference between a socialist and a communist is whether it is politically expedient for the politician to declare him/herself to be a communist. Most modern Euro-socialists no longer call for nationalizing the commanding heights of the economy.)

Now that Bernie - a declared "social democrat" (which aligns him with the European socialist parties) - has registered as a Democrat (to get into the NH primary) and has enormous support amongst Democrats, we should conclude that a significant portion of Democrats are socialists of the European model.

Well it makes a change from claiming he's a National Socialist I suppose.

Not sure what point you are trying to make. I'm sure Waters stands behind her comments and, anyway, where's that $5 gas the Shell executive was "threatening" ??

And I've always felt that people who want to argue "labels" are those that can't posit an actual argument about policies... always easier to scream "liberal", "socialist", "communist", "national socialist" etc. than make a rational argument.

FlaviusAetius Nov 9th 2015 3:10 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11789696)
Not sure what point you are trying to make. I'm sure Waters stands behind her comments and, anyway, where's that $5 gas the Shell executive was "threatening" ??

And I've always felt that people who want to argue "labels" are those that can't posit an actual argument about policies... always easier to scream "liberal", "socialist", "communist", "national socialist" etc. than make a rational argument.

The point we're making is the same, i.e. that these unguarded moments - McCarthy's and Waters' can point to the truth.

As for labels, they are important identifiers of who people are, which philosophy they identify with. Is he a Christian? Is he an atheist? Is he an Islamist? A neo-Con? A liberal? A progressive? A right-wing extremist? (all Republicans qualifiy - by progressive definition). Progressives label everyone anyway.

Giantaxe Nov 9th 2015 3:23 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11789745)
The point we're making is the same, i.e. that these unguarded moments - McCarthy's and Waters' can point to the truth.

Odd, because you're the only one that has raised McCarthy and Waters. So it's the "point" _you're_ making.


Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11789745)
As for labels, they are important identifiers of who people are, which philosophy they identify with. Is he a Christian? Is he an atheist? Is he an Islamist? A neo-Con? A liberal? A progressive? A right-wing extremist? (all Republicans qualifiy - by progressive definition). Progressives label everyone anyway.

I don't care what "progressives" do. The point is that labels are frequently used to avoid rational argument of policies, much like your posts on here often do.

RoadWarriorFromLP Nov 9th 2015 4:12 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11789759)
I don't care what "progressives" do. The point is that labels are frequently used to avoid rational argument of policies, much like your posts on here often do.

You don't seem to realize that labeling someone as a leftist, statist, socialist, communist, fascist authoritarian anti-American progressive liberal is all that is necessary to prove ones point and win the argument.

zargof Nov 9th 2015 4:44 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 11789813)
You don't seem to realize that labeling someone as a leftist, statist, socialist, communist, fascist authoritarian anti-American progressive liberal is all that is necessary to prove ones point and win the argument.

Also, don't bother providing any evidence to support your point as it can easily be dismissed as another example of the liberal bias of the lamestream media.

sir_eccles Nov 9th 2015 5:33 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 11789852)
Also, don't bother providing any evidence to support your point as it can easily be dismissed as another example of the liberal bias of the lamestream media.

The usual m.o. from the GOP is that truth doesn't matter, just keep repeating your talking point louder.

Giantaxe Nov 9th 2015 10:28 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
Another Republican candidate embellishing their "story"?

Rafael Cruz, Ted Cruz Cuban revolution stories disputed.

"Those stories, retold by Mr. Cruz and by his father, Rafael, have hooked Republican audiences and given emotional power to the message that the Texas senator is pushing as an increasingly serious contender for the party’s presidential nomination. In their telling, the father’s experience in Cuba — when the country was swept up by the charismatic, young Fidel Castro, only to see him become a repressive Communist dictator — becomes a parable for the son’s nightmarish vision of government overreach under President Obama."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/10/us...=top-news&_r=0

Giantaxe Nov 9th 2015 2:51 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 
#bencarsonwikipedia

I think my favourite is the Coleseum meme:

'Ben Carson Wikipedia' Hashtag Mocks Republican With Offbeat Pyramid Theories And Beyond

username.exe Nov 9th 2015 5:27 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 
Any predictions for the debate tomorrow?

Kicks off at 9pm ET and fortunately will be broadcast for free online at foxbusiness.com via Fox Business News.

Fewer candidates in the main debate this time (8), with Christie and Huckabee demoted to the kids table at 7 ET.

Anian Nov 10th 2015 2:04 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
Now I'm hoping that Carson wins the nomination so that he can crash and burn in the election, otherwise the GOP nomination will probably go to Cruz, who is a much more realistic prospect.

Giantaxe Nov 10th 2015 2:12 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Anian (Post 11790624)
Now I'm hoping that Carson wins the nomination so that he can crash and burn in the election, otherwise the GOP nomination will probably go to Cruz, who is a much more realistic prospect.

That's why I am wondering whether all these Carson stories are actually sourced from within the Republican party.

sir_eccles Nov 10th 2015 2:17 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11790630)
That's why I am wondering whether all these Carson stories are actually sourced from within the Republican party.

Leaks are never accidental.

FlaviusAetius Nov 10th 2015 4:56 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Anian (Post 11790624)
Now I'm hoping that Carson wins the nomination so that he can crash and burn in the election, otherwise the GOP nomination will probably go to Cruz, who is a much more realistic prospect.

Anian, of the two - Rubio and Cruz - who do you think is the more credible prospect? I've sort of narrowed it down to them, but can't decide yet and hope the debate will help.

Interesting that the Republican field's best prospects, IMHO, both happen to be Hispanics.

sir_eccles Nov 10th 2015 5:17 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11790736)
Anian, of the two - Rubio and Cruz - who do you think is the more credible prospect? I've sort of narrowed it down to them, but can't decide yet and hope the debate will help.

Interesting that the Republican field's best prospects, IMHO, both happen to be Hispanics.

It's an interesting observation. Would the GOP base really back a Hispanic nominee in the primary? If they did, would a wider Hispanic electorate which leans Democrat get behind a Hispanic GOP candidate? I am skeptical.

Both Rubio and Cruz have serious flaws in my opinion, both personal character and policy. Which is the least odious?

This interesting story apparently has Sanders (and O'Malley) winning in a landslide against Bush (and Rubio). http://firebrandleft.com/university-...ext-president/


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