anotherlimey

Can a company in the same industry now file an anti-competition lawsuit because Indiana is favoring one company?

The deal is very un-American.

dc koop

Yes within the US. But... when a company relocates some of it's manufacturing facility to another country like Mercedes Benz, Toyota, Honda, Volkswagen to the States in order to be more competitive and offering better, faster customer service that makes good sense just as GM's Buick division amongst other car makers has an assembly plant in China to sell their products to the Chinese.
When a company like Carrier closes it's operation in the US, lays off workers and moves to Mexico for the cheap labour and to enlarge it's already enormous profits that's just obscene. Carrier wasn't going to Mexico to sell thousands of AC compressors to the Mexicans was it? They just want to go on selling most of their stuff back to the US. They want the trade and customers but they don't want to provide the jobs to those they sell to.

All lobbying does is buy special consideration for pet projects from law makers

johnwoo

Jobs are going overseas to low cost low wage countries, no matter what and they are not coming back, it's the new reality.
Trump or no one else can stop that.

"Full fathom five thy father lies;
Of his bones are coral made;
Those are pearls that were his eyes:
Nothing of him that doth fade
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange"

RoadWarriorFromLP

I suspect that if we had the prices that would come from quotas, tariffs, etc. that you would be quite unhappy with that outcome, because many Americans would be unable to afford the stuff that they want to buy.

Then again, we might not hear your complaints about those high prices on this website, as the price of a computer, modem, router, etc. might be too high for you to afford the higher cost of posting here.

And a lot of those aforementioned jobs would be lost because demand would decline due to the higher prices.

Companies build stuff abroad so that you can afford it. That helps them and you, whether or not you know it.

johnwoo

The world is bigger than the USA. products manufactured here just cannot compete with Asian overseas competitors, the only chance they have is to have manufacturing done offshore. Much the same applies to Europe and even Japan. It now even goes beyond manufacturing.
It's the new reality and we will have to adjust to it. Britain and the US had it's own way many years following WWII. That is no longer the case.

dc koop

We're not talking about computers, modems routers, TVs. None of them are manufactured in the US anyway. They all come from Asia.

We are talking about established companies in the US who have manufactured products for years that Americans have been able to afford and have provided jobs for American workers. The whole idea of moving manufacturing out of the country to make these products "more affordable" is pure bull shit. It's all about increasing the bottom line... nothing more.

Anyway Trump is in the unique position of being of the same party as the majority in Congress and in the Senate. He may well be able to scrap NAFTA without much of a problem and put a stop to the destruction of the American middle class

dc koop

You could probably buy a mid size Chevy sedan manufactured somewhere in the USA for a few dollars cheaper than a Toyota equivalent.

johnwoo

You could, but would you? One has to balance price with quality, the Toyota will probably be cheaper over time.
The last time I bought an American car was 1974, an Olds Cutlass.

Ebonhawke

Of course, Toyota has manufacturing plants in Mississippi (Corolla), Kentucky (Camry), Texas (Trucks), and Indiana (SUVs) - so while it's a Japanese parent company, purchasing a Toyota can contribute to job sustainment in the United States.

Same goes for Honda (plants in Ohio, Indiana, and Alabama), Hyundai (Alabama), Mitsubishi (Illinois), and Kia (Georgia)

If you look at the VIN number on a potential new vehicle, the first digit will tell you where the vehicle was manufactured if you're passionate about buying 'Made in America'

Giantaxe

I wouldn't be so sure about that:


Carrier

dakota44

Toyota has 10 plants in the U.S. A fact of particular interest is that in 2015 Toyota Camry had the highest U.S. content of any vehicle sold in the U.S. Toyota Siena was 2nd.

dc koop

Twenty-years ago I would have agreed that you had to balance price with quality but GM and Ford are producing vehicles these days that are every bit as good quality wise as whatever Toyota and Honda are producing.

dc koop

Well sure Carrier make money from sales in Mexico but anywhere on the same scale as that in the USA ?

I suspect that most sales of Carrier AC units in Mexico are sales to large businesses or perhaps also to the few in number financially better off households. In the US their sales include those to how many average income households ?

dakota44

Except for things like the defective ignition switches on Chevrolet Cruz that slipped into accesory position..shutting off the engine, power brakes and steering and killed 30 or more people...and all the while GM knew about the problem and did nothing about it. Or the Ford vehicles that burst into flames and sometimes in peoples garages thus burning their house down...all due to a dollar saving part that allowed brake fluid to leak onto a heated exhaust.

U.S. manufacturers have always been their own worst enemies. Of course it was much worse in the 70's through the 90's.

It was shoddy quality that allowed foreign manufacturers to come in and eat them for lunch. Back in the 70's and 80's we had a majority of customers who would come in and only want a Ford that was built in Canada because the quality level was significantly higher.

If I were buying today...I would not look any further than Toyota. Not to mention that Toyota and Honda still eat the U.S. makes for lunch on resale value.

dc koop

Which is as it should be but American manufactured Toyotas etc are no cheaper than GM or Ford products. We were talking about the claim that American made products cannot compete with foreign competition when it comes to pricing,

The other thing was the closing down of plants and loss of jobs by US companies in search of cheap labour, fewer safety regulations, fewer employee benefits in the pursuit of enlarging the bank accounts of company CEOs and shareholders