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Everyone else uses winner-take-all because having a larger prize increases their influence.
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The US began as a confederation, but quickly abandoned that model for a more centralized form of government.
Switzerland is a confederation, modeled somewhat on the US but it has an executive body that is appointed by its legislature instead of a single executive who is (sort of) elected as does the US.
Switzerland is a confederation, modeled somewhat on the US but it has an executive body that is appointed by its legislature instead of a single executive who is (sort of) elected as does the US.
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Well what a productive and polite answer. So insulting someone personally is the highest expression of the tolerant mind ? I often wonder why the extreme left and extreme right are so comfortable in attack and insulting mode ?
In any case you made point which I admit I hadn't considered that "illegals" is now a term that is considered negative in the PC world. I will definitely bring this up to some "undocumented foreigners" if that is an acceptable term and see their reaction. I can almost guarantee they will find it another strange thing they encounter in America. I know quite a few " undocumented foreigners" as they often need help in translations and other matters- it is very odd you consider a term negative they use themselves.
If my comment that "undocumented foreigners" use the term "illegals" themselves annoys you it may well be that at least concerning Mexican "undocumented foreigners" you perhaps don't know many that is all. I frequently will hear them using that term between themselves.
I also appreciate your posts whether I agree with them or not. I actually look forward to intelligent posts from either the right or left as an opportunity to learn from different points of view. Joining this thread has been instructive .Maybe if the left tried to open their mind and understand the right better, and vice versa, perhaps we would have ended up with two better candidates.
In any case you made point which I admit I hadn't considered that "illegals" is now a term that is considered negative in the PC world. I will definitely bring this up to some "undocumented foreigners" if that is an acceptable term and see their reaction. I can almost guarantee they will find it another strange thing they encounter in America. I know quite a few " undocumented foreigners" as they often need help in translations and other matters- it is very odd you consider a term negative they use themselves.
If my comment that "undocumented foreigners" use the term "illegals" themselves annoys you it may well be that at least concerning Mexican "undocumented foreigners" you perhaps don't know many that is all. I frequently will hear them using that term between themselves.
I also appreciate your posts whether I agree with them or not. I actually look forward to intelligent posts from either the right or left as an opportunity to learn from different points of view. Joining this thread has been instructive .Maybe if the left tried to open their mind and understand the right better, and vice versa, perhaps we would have ended up with two better candidates.
Nobody is buying what you're selling. Nobody believes, not for a minute, that you sit around with your 'illegal' friends, who you love to help - out of the generosity of your big heart, and call them 'illegals' to their face all day. Nor does anybody buy your fantastical anecdotes about them all referring to each other as 'illegals' in front of you. You look ridiculous and you need to stop making a fool of yourself over this. It's not big and it's not clever and we've all seen it a million times before.
There are two possibilities, either (1) you have an unnatural obsession with the word 'illegals' and your own personal need to say 'illegals' in an unfettered way or (2) you're trolling me personally. Either way ----->
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I made my point, in clear and succinct English, days ago. This doesn't take hours of debate and endless posts and paragraphs. It is a simple concept. You can disagree if you like (I also said that days ago) but you aren't going to shout me down or wear me down and you're never going to win this argument.
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You're one of those people that pretends to be nice while what you're really saying are some very not-nice things.
Nobody is buying what you're selling. Nobody believes, not for a minute, that you sit around with your 'illegal' friends, who you love to help - out of the generosity of your big heart, and call them 'illegals' to their face all day. Nor does anybody buy your fantastical anecdotes about them all referring to each other as 'illegals' in front of you. You look ridiculous and you need to stop making a fool of yourself over this. It's not big and it's not clever and we've all seen it a million times before.
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I made my point, in clear and succinct English, days ago. This doesn't take hours of debate and endless posts and paragraphs. It is a simple concept. You can disagree if you like (I also said that days ago) but you aren't going to shout me down or wear me down and you're never going to win this argument.
Nobody is buying what you're selling. Nobody believes, not for a minute, that you sit around with your 'illegal' friends, who you love to help - out of the generosity of your big heart, and call them 'illegals' to their face all day. Nor does anybody buy your fantastical anecdotes about them all referring to each other as 'illegals' in front of you. You look ridiculous and you need to stop making a fool of yourself over this. It's not big and it's not clever and we've all seen it a million times before.
There are two possibilities, either (1) you have an unnatural obsession with the word 'illegals' and your own personal need to say 'illegals' in an unfettered way or (2) you're trolling me personally. Either way ----->
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I made my point, in clear and succinct English, days ago. This doesn't take hours of debate and endless posts and paragraphs. It is a simple concept. You can disagree if you like (I also said that days ago) but you aren't going to shout me down or wear me down and you're never going to win this argument.
1. The word "illegals": Actually I never thought of it as a pejorative and as negative as you pointed out, and I admit I kind of resent the situation where I use a word which I have no idea that is now considered pejorative then hear that one can be criticized for such a word.
2. As far your comments "not buying...sitting around with your illegal friends" you couldn't be more wrong. I will answer because of my respect for your posts ( which I often find thought-provoking) that comment. My family attends Church which has one service per week in Spanish which is the one we attend ( as my wife is Hispanic), and we go to many social activities with people from the Church, as one can imagine living in the Midwest my wife likes to hear Spanish and be around Latin people. So we are quite familiar with the situation - I am unsure how much direct experience you may have had with such a community to judge my comments in the way you have. And yes we certainly feel obligated when one of them needs help with translation or navigating through the bureaucracy to help them especially considering the difficulties they can face. And yes it is quite common to hear in Spanish "us illegals face so many difficulties " or " I am illegal so I am afraid to drive to often" or similar usage of the word.
3. No I am not obsessed with the word illegal, just amazed how the vehemence you expressed about someone who would use the word. Perhaps you are right that using the word in English is pejorative in some circles, I certainly had never thought of that.
As far as looking ridiculous on what you call anecdotes, I would have thought we all learn from observations from others. If you speak Spanish and regularly or in the past have spent time with Mexican and Central American immigrants in the United States I certainly would be interested in what anecdotes you would have, whether they agreed with my political views or not. I am assuming , perhaps unfairly, you haven't spent much time in the homes of undocumented Mexicans or Central Americans so I am unsure how you can make such judgements.
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I believe that's basically the point of the electoral college - to stop candidates focusing all their efforts on the population centres and ignoring the other 95% of the country. The electoral college may well be the best way to deal with a country as vast and diverse as the US.
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To be clear, though - my main point was that we should not read too much into who won the popular vote this time around, because that was not the goal. We cannot assume, just because Clinton won the popular vote with our current setup, that she would have won the popular vote if the popular vote were to be the deciding factor.
My district in rural NYS, for instance, used to elect a conservative democrat, now elects a Trump-supporting conservative Republican, Elise Stefanik. She won with a landslide this time, and Trump won big time up in our neck of the woods too (after Obama won handily in his two elections.)
So, I'm just pointing out that Republicans don't completely ignore the presidential race in states they won't win.
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Circular argument then. Take Ireland, for instance. It's a republic. But it's a parliamentary democracy, with structures closely modelled on the British, and not much in the way of US-like features.
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The US began as a confederation, but quickly abandoned that model for a more centralized form of government.
Switzerland is a confederation, modeled somewhat on the US but it has an executive body that is appointed by its legislature instead of a single executive who is (sort of) elected as does the US.
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To be clear, though - my main point was that we should not read too much into who won the popular vote this time around, because that was not the goal. We cannot assume, just because Clinton won the popular vote with our current setup, that she would have won the popular vote if the popular vote were to be the deciding factor.
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