2016 Election
![markonline1 is offline](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif)
Lost in BE Cyberspace
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 10,115
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![Default](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Well what a productive and polite answer. So insulting someone personally is the highest expression of the tolerant mind ? I often wonder why the extreme left and extreme right are so comfortable in attack and insulting mode ?
In any case you made point which I admit I hadn't considered that "illegals" is now a term that is considered negative in the PC world. I will definitely bring this up to some "undocumented foreigners" if that is an acceptable term and see their reaction. I can almost guarantee they will find it another strange thing they encounter in America. I know quite a few " undocumented foreigners" as they often need help in translations and other matters- it is very odd you consider a term negative they use themselves.
If my comment that "undocumented foreigners" use the term "illegals" themselves annoys you it may well be that at least concerning Mexican "undocumented foreigners" you perhaps don't know many that is all. I frequently will hear them using that term between themselves.
I also appreciate your posts whether I agree with them or not. I actually look forward to intelligent posts from either the right or left as an opportunity to learn from different points of view. Joining this thread has been instructive .Maybe if the left tried to open their mind and understand the right better, and vice versa, perhaps we would have ended up with two better candidates.
In any case you made point which I admit I hadn't considered that "illegals" is now a term that is considered negative in the PC world. I will definitely bring this up to some "undocumented foreigners" if that is an acceptable term and see their reaction. I can almost guarantee they will find it another strange thing they encounter in America. I know quite a few " undocumented foreigners" as they often need help in translations and other matters- it is very odd you consider a term negative they use themselves.
If my comment that "undocumented foreigners" use the term "illegals" themselves annoys you it may well be that at least concerning Mexican "undocumented foreigners" you perhaps don't know many that is all. I frequently will hear them using that term between themselves.
I also appreciate your posts whether I agree with them or not. I actually look forward to intelligent posts from either the right or left as an opportunity to learn from different points of view. Joining this thread has been instructive .Maybe if the left tried to open their mind and understand the right better, and vice versa, perhaps we would have ended up with two better candidates.
Last edited by morpeth; Nov 15th 2016 at 4:23 pm.
![morpeth is offline](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif)
Lost in BE Cyberspace
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 10,115
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![morpeth has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![Default](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
This is such an absurd situation. First we hear his kids will run the family business, now they want security clearance at the same time ?
![morpeth is offline](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif)
![Default](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
When Glenn Beck says the altright is truly terrifying...we must be in an alternate reality.
Glenn Beck: The alt-right is truly terrifying - CNNPolitics.com
Glenn Beck: The alt-right is truly terrifying - CNNPolitics.com
![dakota44 is offline](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif)
![Default](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Popular Vote vs Electoral College Vote.
It occurred to me today that it really isn't that significant who won the popular vote, because the candidates fully understand the system and chase the electoral votes. If the system changed to one of popular vote determining the winner, then they'd adjust their tactics. EG - they'd campaign a lot harder in places like CA, NY, etc and pretty much ignore the low-population states. Even if a republican knows he's going to lose CA, he would still be obligated to chase votes there, and a Democrat would have to chase votes in Texas.
I'm not saying it would be a bad thing to change over to Popular Vote; I'm just saying, you can't read too much into the popular vote historically because different priorities existed.
It occurred to me today that it really isn't that significant who won the popular vote, because the candidates fully understand the system and chase the electoral votes. If the system changed to one of popular vote determining the winner, then they'd adjust their tactics. EG - they'd campaign a lot harder in places like CA, NY, etc and pretty much ignore the low-population states. Even if a republican knows he's going to lose CA, he would still be obligated to chase votes there, and a Democrat would have to chase votes in Texas.
I'm not saying it would be a bad thing to change over to Popular Vote; I'm just saying, you can't read too much into the popular vote historically because different priorities existed.
![Steerpike is offline](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif)
Return of bouncing girl!
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
Joined: Sep 2004
Location: The Fourth Reich
Posts: 4,931
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![Default](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Popular Vote vs Electoral College Vote.
It occurred to me today that it really isn't that significant who won the popular vote, because the candidates fully understand the system and chase the electoral votes. If the system changed to one of popular vote determining the winner, then they'd adjust their tactics. EG - they'd campaign a lot harder in places like CA, NY, etc and pretty much ignore the low-population states. Even if a republican knows he's going to lose CA, he would still be obligated to chase votes there, and a Democrat would have to chase votes in Texas.
I'm not saying it would be a bad thing to change over to Popular Vote; I'm just saying, you can't read too much into the popular vote historically because different priorities existed.
It occurred to me today that it really isn't that significant who won the popular vote, because the candidates fully understand the system and chase the electoral votes. If the system changed to one of popular vote determining the winner, then they'd adjust their tactics. EG - they'd campaign a lot harder in places like CA, NY, etc and pretty much ignore the low-population states. Even if a republican knows he's going to lose CA, he would still be obligated to chase votes there, and a Democrat would have to chase votes in Texas.
I'm not saying it would be a bad thing to change over to Popular Vote; I'm just saying, you can't read too much into the popular vote historically because different priorities existed.
![Wintersong is offline](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif)
Heading for Poppyland
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
Joined: Jul 2007
Location: North Norfolk and northern New York State
Posts: 14,731
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![Default](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
I believe that's basically the point of the electoral college - to stop candidates focusing all their efforts on the population centres and ignoring the other 95% of the country. The electoral college may well be the best way to deal with a country as vast and diverse as the US.
I say the hell with all those empty places where nobody wants to live. Why the heck should they have disproportionate political power?
![robin1234 is online now](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/statusicon/user_online.gif)
Account Closed
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 2
![scrubbedexpat099 is an unknown quantity at this point](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_balance.gif)
![Default](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Yes .... but, if the United States was to aspire to be a democracy sometime in the future, surely the candidate who won most votes should be the winner? One person one vote and all that. Radical, I know....
I say the hell with all those empty places where nobody wants to live. Why the heck should they have disproportionate political power?
I say the hell with all those empty places where nobody wants to live. Why the heck should they have disproportionate political power?
I do not see long term how a Republic can survive, US is I think the only one to do so, an oddity.
There is no process when the different branches lock for anything to change, well aprt from maybe in the next election.
![scrubbedexpat099 is offline](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif)
![Nutek is online now](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/statusicon/user_online.gif)
Return of bouncing girl!
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
Joined: Sep 2004
Location: The Fourth Reich
Posts: 4,931
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![Wintersong has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![Default](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Yes .... but, if the United States was to aspire to be a democracy sometime in the future, surely the candidate who won most votes should be the winner? One person one vote and all that. Radical, I know....
I say the hell with all those empty places where nobody wants to live. Why the heck should they have disproportionate political power?
I say the hell with all those empty places where nobody wants to live. Why the heck should they have disproportionate political power?
I'm not convinced that going with the popular vote would necessarily be the right answer. Maybe a system where the electoral votes could be split according to the percentages in each state?
![Wintersong is offline](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif)
Heading for Poppyland
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
Joined: Jul 2007
Location: North Norfolk and northern New York State
Posts: 14,731
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![robin1234 has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![robin1234 is online now](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/statusicon/user_online.gif)
Account Closed
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 2
![scrubbedexpat099 is an unknown quantity at this point](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_balance.gif)
![Default](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Switzerland is a one off, not sure I fully understand it, but not a Republic.
![scrubbedexpat099 is offline](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif)
BE Forum Addict
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
Joined: Aug 2013
Location: Athens GA
Posts: 2,140
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![MidAtlantic is offline](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif)
Account Closed
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 2
![scrubbedexpat099 is an unknown quantity at this point](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_balance.gif)
![Default](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
The Swiss system is very different to the US
![scrubbedexpat099 is offline](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif)
BE Forum Addict
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
![](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/ranks/star.gif)
Joined: Aug 2013
Location: Athens GA
Posts: 2,140
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.gif)
![Default](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
The Republic of South Africa, formed in 1960 and survived longer than many anticipated.
The Republic of Iceland - 1944.
Oh and how about France?
The Republic of Iceland - 1944.
Oh and how about France?
Last edited by MidAtlantic; Nov 16th 2016 at 8:16 am.
![MidAtlantic is offline](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif)