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I wonder how many illegals taking part in the Trump protest riots are holding up signs "Not my President" Well they're right he's not their President... the President of Mexico is.
It seems that there's a mind set that if you live for years in the US as an illegal immigrant it becomes a passport as a right to stay.

Having gone through the process of sponsoring my sister to come to this country I remember all the stuff she had to go through and the years she had to wait to receive her green card.

If others think that letting thousands of illegals in through the back door without any health or criminal background checks is okay then it's not.

Mexico is not the 51st State. It's time they put their own house in order. Getting rid of the massive corruption and controlling the birth rate would be a good start

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I didn't enter illegally, but I didn't have any health or criminal background checks. Just saying.

Re: 2016 Election
 

I realize that you remain unwilling to recognize that Sanders couldn't even beat Clinton, let alone someone who would denounced him as a tax-hiking socialist had he been the nominee. Sanders would have been a lousy choice.

The reality is that Trump lost voters for the GOP. Gary Johnson wouldn't have won more than 1% of the vote had it not been for Trump.

Clinton won more votes than Trump, so there is no way to argue that she was less popular than Trump or that Trump had some magic formula that had greater appeal. After all, he came in second.

Clinton was not an ideal candidate. But the one semi-ideal candidate that the Democrats did have -- Joe Biden -- did not want to run, so that was not an option. For the Democrats, Clinton was the best alternative available this year, and it would appear that there were tactical errors made on her side that may have contributed to the result. She should have been able to squeak out a win.

The Democrats would benefit from a charismatic figure. In the modern era, charisma matters more than policy. I believe that Obama deserves some blame for not using his role as party leader to groom his successor.

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You have some serious problems with Mexicans.

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How is that relevant to any thing I actually wrote?

How about you actually address what I said rather than the same tired deflections.

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The word 'illegals' is a pejorative. Whenever I see/hear that I stop listening. It would be like somebody calling black people 'niggers' and then expect me to continue to listen to their wisdom about the African American experience.

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So you will be OK with providing the USCBP ICE with your address and that the thousands of illegals currently in detention centres across the USA can on release stay at your place. They won't pay you any rent but will help out with chores.
There again if enough of them came to your house uninvited and took it over you would still be OK with that as they are doing nothing wrong.

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Oh ah Wow. You just blew me away. That totally changes how I feel about racially charged language. How did you do that? Are you magic? :eek:

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I live in an area that vote heavily for Trump. I don't know of anyone who vote for him for racist or anti-Semitic reasons. As far as xenophobia I assume you refer to controlling the border or extreme measures to reduce possibility of terrorism. Many don't even think Trump will get extreme policies in place, but that he will be stronger on such issues than Clinton or the Democrats.

I did come across fanatic anti-Clinton Trump supporters whose fanaticism was pretty extreme.

But most people around here voted for Trump because they wanted a change, and didn't believe Clinton was anything except more of the same. Kind of like rolling the dice for Trump, or accepting an unpleasant situation. They rolled the dice for Trump.

If the left can appreciate the difficulties the white working class and poor are facing, they can win the next election as demographics otherwise in their favor.

I doubt Trump is even racist because he is so full of himself I think he considers there are two races- Trump, and everyone else.

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So now what will be the acceptable word to use ? To me just a shorthand for undocumented aliens, but in general the issue is often discussed in relationship to them being illegal- which they are- the word illegal shouldn't be offensive, but then everyone seems to get offended by something.

Actual the word "alien" I find curious . My step-son and I have had many hilarious conversations about what planet he is from when he received his "resident "alien" card.

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Well Canada in a formal hearing setting describe them as a Foreign National Without Status in Canada.

Notice when asked the question are they OK with these people without status moving into their home they won't answer.
I guess if they woke up at 2am in the morning and heard 3 people downstairs stealing their stuff they wouldn't call the police as they are doing nothing wrong.
Some of us would call them burglars and dependent on the country you are in if caught would be charged with burglary in a dwelling or home invasion.

I would like a rational explanation from one of them as to why they don't think that a person who has entered a country illegally or overstayed their status is not illegal?

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Undocumented is a PC term, the preferred term now I believe is Prospective Citizens. Nobody, or extremely few anyway have no documents, Colorado you can get a DL for example.

Alien goes to back to some US legislation and means basically anybody not a USC. Think the term is still current.

Many people on here have been or are Legal Permanent Residents.

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The person is a person, the objection is to a label of the person being illegal. The overstay may be illegal, the entry may have been illegal. But the person is not illegal. Even a murderer is not an illegal, their murder was illegal.

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Exactly, same way no person is documented. Has to be taken in context.

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Ah OK. So what would be the correct term for those people who flew the planes into the Twin Towers on 9/11 or those who planted bombs on the buses in London or those who attacked the people inside the Bataclan nightclub in Paris?

I don't want to appear to be seen to be using words that could label people thereby offending them.