2016 Election
Nov 10th 2016, 8:06 pm
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I know that was an exaggeration on my part and that exaggerations don't help the argument against climate change deniers, but the reality is we're on track for a global average temperature rise of 4 degrees Celsius in the next 80 years.
Do you know what happened when the global average temperature was 4 degrees cooler than it is now? Try to imagine what 4 degrees warmer means.
Nov 10th 2016, 8:07 pm
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Except that the US electoral process means that the state popular votes aren't certified by the House of Representatives until December 19. An article on KTLA explains it (there are a few other sites documenting this as well)
Last-Ditch Effort Underway to Elect Hillary Clinton, Block Donald Trump Presidency | KTLA
If his administration essentially walks back their campaign platform prior to December 19, it could possibly cause some Electors from states that voted for Trump to either abstain, or vote for Clinton (as the platform that their state voted on is no longer valid). This would be especially true of states where the voting margin was slim. It's unlikely that a simple walk back of some campaign promises would cause the state electors to abstain/defect, since not following through on campaign promises is hardly news, however it does sow seeds of doubt.
Should additional negative information come to light about Trump before December 19 (such as the story on Politico that the Russian government was in fact in contact with multiple members of Trump's campaign team), or the potential that he could be convicted of fraud with regards to Trump University, or another 'Access Hollywood' style tape is leaked, it could cause some states to reconsider.
Last-Ditch Effort Underway to Elect Hillary Clinton, Block Donald Trump Presidency | KTLA
If his administration essentially walks back their campaign platform prior to December 19, it could possibly cause some Electors from states that voted for Trump to either abstain, or vote for Clinton (as the platform that their state voted on is no longer valid). This would be especially true of states where the voting margin was slim. It's unlikely that a simple walk back of some campaign promises would cause the state electors to abstain/defect, since not following through on campaign promises is hardly news, however it does sow seeds of doubt.
Should additional negative information come to light about Trump before December 19 (such as the story on Politico that the Russian government was in fact in contact with multiple members of Trump's campaign team), or the potential that he could be convicted of fraud with regards to Trump University, or another 'Access Hollywood' style tape is leaked, it could cause some states to reconsider.
Nov 10th 2016, 8:22 pm
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Re: 2016 Election
If the revelations about Trump are particularly damning, not sure there would be a shitstorm of violence - shortly after the Access Hollywood tape leaked, staffers on the Apprentice show, who wanted to remain anonymous (to avoid lawsuit), said that there were other clips that were 'much worse' than the AH tape. It's already been leaked that Trump repeatedly called L'il Jon (an African-American musician) a racially perjorative term to his face (although Trump claims he didn't know it was an insult at the time).
Leaves you to wonder what could be 'worse' than talking about sexual assault?
There are also rumours (which I'll not expound on - because there is no confirmation as yet) of actions that contradict some of the values and beliefs he's stated on the campaign trail, that would also be contrary to values held by states where he won the popular vote)
If true, would one be upset that they were saved from having him in office?
Nov 10th 2016, 8:25 pm
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Apparently, if the legally bound electors defect/abstain, the penalty is a fine - I'm sure there are a few Democratic SuperPACs that will cover the fine to the Elector.
If the revelations about Trump are particularly damning, not sure there would be a shitstorm of violence - shortly after the Access Hollywood tape leaked, staffers on the Apprentice show, who wanted to remain anonymous (to avoid lawsuit), said that there were other clips that were 'much worse' than the AH tape. It's already been leaked that Trump repeatedly called L'il Jon (an African-American musician) a racially perjorative term to his face (although Trump claims he didn't know it was an insult at the time).
Leaves you to wonder what could be 'worse' than talking about sexual assault?
There are also rumours (which I'll not expound on - because there is no confirmation as yet) of actions that contradict some of the values and beliefs he's stated on the campaign trail, that would also be contrary to values held by states where he won the popular vote)
If true, would one be upset that they were saved from having him in office?
If the revelations about Trump are particularly damning, not sure there would be a shitstorm of violence - shortly after the Access Hollywood tape leaked, staffers on the Apprentice show, who wanted to remain anonymous (to avoid lawsuit), said that there were other clips that were 'much worse' than the AH tape. It's already been leaked that Trump repeatedly called L'il Jon (an African-American musician) a racially perjorative term to his face (although Trump claims he didn't know it was an insult at the time).
Leaves you to wonder what could be 'worse' than talking about sexual assault?
There are also rumours (which I'll not expound on - because there is no confirmation as yet) of actions that contradict some of the values and beliefs he's stated on the campaign trail, that would also be contrary to values held by states where he won the popular vote)
If true, would one be upset that they were saved from having him in office?
Nov 10th 2016, 8:30 pm
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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rump-brexit-us
A for the Guardian a surprisingly well thought article.
A for the Guardian a surprisingly well thought article.
Nov 10th 2016, 8:40 pm
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Not trying to get peoples' hopes up - just trying to get ahead of some of the discussion if people start hearing that Clinton could still be named President. Also to explain the potential for lots of anti-Trump news stories to appear over the next few weeks that may or may not have any factual evidence - because there may be a large number of them, I don't expect main stream media to really cover these, because they may not be able to be corroborated.
I would imagine that there are reputable investigative journalists who are working on stories delving into Trump's past, and working to corroborate sources etc, and those stories will have legs, but may also get green lighted after December 19. Because there's so much we don't know about Trump's past business dealings and current financial ties, I'm sure there's a lot of gold to mine.
I would imagine that there are reputable investigative journalists who are working on stories delving into Trump's past, and working to corroborate sources etc, and those stories will have legs, but may also get green lighted after December 19. Because there's so much we don't know about Trump's past business dealings and current financial ties, I'm sure there's a lot of gold to mine.
Nov 10th 2016, 8:50 pm
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Just to add a bit more drama...
Election Could Still Result In Trump-Clinton Tie: Analyst
Apparently, for example, in Arizona there are still more than 600,000 uncounted ballots...and less than a 100,000 vote difference in the current results. Plus 3 or 4 other states have not completed ballot counting
Election Could Still Result In Trump-Clinton Tie: Analyst
Apparently, for example, in Arizona there are still more than 600,000 uncounted ballots...and less than a 100,000 vote difference in the current results. Plus 3 or 4 other states have not completed ballot counting
Nov 10th 2016, 8:52 pm
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Re: 2016 Election
Just to add a bit more drama...
Election Could Still Result In Trump-Clinton Tie: Analyst
Apparently, for example, in Arizona there are still more than 600,000 uncounted ballots...and less than a 100,000 vote difference in the current results.
Election Could Still Result In Trump-Clinton Tie: Analyst
Apparently, for example, in Arizona there are still more than 600,000 uncounted ballots...and less than a 100,000 vote difference in the current results.
Nov 10th 2016, 9:00 pm
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Nov 10th 2016, 9:02 pm
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Re: 2016 Election
Well that didn't take long.
After Donald Trump victory, Oregonians submit ballot proposal to secede from the union | OregonLive.com
After Donald Trump victory, Oregonians submit ballot proposal to secede from the union | OregonLive.com
Nov 10th 2016, 9:06 pm
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Well that didn't take long.
After Donald Trump victory, Oregonians submit ballot proposal to secede from the union | OregonLive.com
After Donald Trump victory, Oregonians submit ballot proposal to secede from the union | OregonLive.com
Problem is...cecession requires 2/3 approval of both houses of Congress and approval of 38 state legislatures so..basically..meaningless venting. Of course if a few strong Dem states ceceded that would pretty much guarantee Republican control of the Oval Office for quite a while
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Nov 10th 2016, 9:06 pm
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We hear this kind of nonsense every time there is a contentious election. Oh, and when Dan Quayle was Bush's VP and some wanted a different VP. Bottom line is that it's not going to happen.
Nov 10th 2016, 9:10 pm
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Nov 10th 2016, 9:11 pm
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Nov 10th 2016, 9:13 pm
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Not to mention the hypocrisy after all the conniptions a couple a weeks ago after Trump said he might not accept the result.