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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by zargof
(Post 12101707)
You're more a Number 8.
Originally Posted by dakota44
(Post 12101708)
Me too.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Ebonhawke
(Post 12101709)
Except that the US electoral process means that the state popular votes aren't certified by the House of Representatives until December 19. An article on KTLA explains it (there are a few other sites documenting this as well)
Last-Ditch Effort Underway to Elect Hillary Clinton, Block Donald Trump Presidency | KTLA If his administration essentially walks back their campaign platform prior to December 19, it could possibly cause some Electors from states that voted for Trump to either abstain, or vote for Clinton (as the platform that their state voted on is no longer valid). This would be especially true of states where the voting margin was slim. It's unlikely that a simple walk back of some campaign promises would cause the state electors to abstain/defect, since not following through on campaign promises is hardly news, however it does sow seeds of doubt. Should additional negative information come to light about Trump before December 19 (such as the story on Politico that the Russian government was in fact in contact with multiple members of Trump's campaign team), or the potential that he could be convicted of fraud with regards to Trump University, or another 'Access Hollywood' style tape is leaked, it could cause some states to reconsider. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by dakota44
(Post 12101714)
Only a few states legally bind those electors...so the possibility is always there though remote. It would likely stir up a shitstorm of violence.
If the revelations about Trump are particularly damning, not sure there would be a shitstorm of violence - shortly after the Access Hollywood tape leaked, staffers on the Apprentice show, who wanted to remain anonymous (to avoid lawsuit), said that there were other clips that were 'much worse' than the AH tape. It's already been leaked that Trump repeatedly called L'il Jon (an African-American musician) a racially perjorative term to his face (although Trump claims he didn't know it was an insult at the time). Leaves you to wonder what could be 'worse' than talking about sexual assault? There are also rumours (which I'll not expound on - because there is no confirmation as yet) of actions that contradict some of the values and beliefs he's stated on the campaign trail, that would also be contrary to values held by states where he won the popular vote) If true, would one be upset that they were saved from having him in office? |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Ebonhawke
(Post 12101728)
Apparently, if the legally bound electors defect/abstain, the penalty is a fine - I'm sure there are a few Democratic SuperPACs that will cover the fine to the Elector.
If the revelations about Trump are particularly damning, not sure there would be a shitstorm of violence - shortly after the Access Hollywood tape leaked, staffers on the Apprentice show, who wanted to remain anonymous (to avoid lawsuit), said that there were other clips that were 'much worse' than the AH tape. It's already been leaked that Trump repeatedly called L'il Jon (an African-American musician) a racially perjorative term to his face (although Trump claims he didn't know it was an insult at the time). Leaves you to wonder what could be 'worse' than talking about sexual assault? There are also rumours (which I'll not expound on - because there is no confirmation as yet) of actions that contradict some of the values and beliefs he's stated on the campaign trail, that would also be contrary to values held by states where he won the popular vote) If true, would one be upset that they were saved from having him in office? |
Re: 2016 Election
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rump-brexit-us
A for the Guardian a surprisingly well thought article. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by dakota44
(Post 12101735)
Stop getting peoples hopes up. :lol:
I would imagine that there are reputable investigative journalists who are working on stories delving into Trump's past, and working to corroborate sources etc, and those stories will have legs, but may also get green lighted after December 19. Because there's so much we don't know about Trump's past business dealings and current financial ties, I'm sure there's a lot of gold to mine. |
Re: 2016 Election
Just to add a bit more drama...
Election Could Still Result In Trump-Clinton Tie: Analyst Apparently, for example, in Arizona there are still more than 600,000 uncounted ballots...and less than a 100,000 vote difference in the current results. Plus 3 or 4 other states have not completed ballot counting |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by dakota44
(Post 12101779)
Just to add a bit more drama...
Election Could Still Result In Trump-Clinton Tie: Analyst Apparently, for example, in Arizona there are still more than 600,000 uncounted ballots...and less than a 100,000 vote difference in the current results. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
(Post 12101782)
Is that really within the realm of possibility though? You know the Trumpeters are on their way to lynch you for 'being a bad loser', don't you?
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Re: 2016 Election
Well that didn't take long.
After Donald Trump victory, Oregonians submit ballot proposal to secede from the union | OregonLive.com |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by lansbury
(Post 12101796)
Well that didn't take long.
After Donald Trump victory, Oregonians submit ballot proposal to secede from the union | OregonLive.com Problem is...cecession requires 2/3 approval of both houses of Congress and approval of 38 state legislatures so..basically..meaningless venting. Of course if a few strong Dem states ceceded that would pretty much guarantee Republican control of the Oval Office for quite a while |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by dakota44
(Post 12101714)
Only a few states legally bind those electors...so the possibility is always there though remote. It would likely stir up a shitstorm of violence.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 12101806)
We hear this kind of nonsense every time there is a contentious election. Oh, and when Dan Quayle was Bush's VP and some wanted a different VP. Bottom line is that it's not going to happen.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by dakota44
(Post 12101792)
It is to some degree possible.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 12101806)
We hear this kind of nonsense every time there is a contentious election. Oh, and when Dan Quayle was Bush's VP and some wanted a different VP. Bottom line is that it's not going to happen.
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