Agreed, as I've said several times on here. Clinton also made to monumental fckup of trying to appeal to Republicans by claiming Trump wasn't one of them. One it's not true, they really do think like he does, and two Republicans hate the Clintons, so they were never going to vote for her anyway.

She should have focused on keeping the left on side and actually a vision for a better future rather than more of the same and pragmatism. This was not a time for pragmatism.

I guess the one hope is that Democratic loyalists will finally realise that the party doesn't give a shit about them.

Said on radio she waiting for her speech $$ check to clear first

I think Sanders could have pulled votes from Republicans, he was always well respected on both sides of the divide. Certainly in New Hampshire and possibly Wisconsin. Pennsylvania and Michigan would likely have remained blue.

Would he have done enough to win 270 electoral votes? Maybe, maybe not but as I said, from his perspective at least it would have been a clean campaign focused on the issues rather than the opponent. Trump's posturing and mud-slinging would have stood out much more as a result.

Clinton wasn't going to keep the left on side, because she isn't one of them (us, I suppose). Sanders is and that's the difference. The DNC shot themselves in the foot here.

At least she conceded to Trump, something he wouldn't have done if the result had gone the other way.

Ignore the populace and most likely yes.

Most people are not Dems or Gop

Most people do not like Clinton

Most people don't like Trump. Not sure where this gets us.

Yes they are, as much as they say they aren't they always are. There just isn't any feasible alternative.

They will vote for the least despicable, in this case with Clinton you knew what you were getting with Trump you hope it may be different.

Sanders could have won, and the demographics are working in the Democrats' favor. My opinion is problem is the ideological blinders the Democrats have. By ignoring the valid concerns or worries of millions of Americans, they misjudged the sort of support Trump had.

A lot of states have open primaries. Many people don't register either way.

Illinois is an open primary. Had, though some weird set of circumstances, Sanders contested the Republican primary, I'd have declared Republican when I voted.

The DNC lost touch with an increasingly progressive base, I won't argue with you there. Sanders did not ignore those valid concerns. He would have been the champion of the working class that many believe Trump is.

For some reason that I can't work out though, Sanders, the man who marched with MLK, always struggled to win the black vote from Clinton. Low turnout in that demographic would have hurted the Dems in a general.

Reminds me of Labour, they abandoned their bases, the base did not abandon them.

I feel a vote of confidence for Zargoff is in order here. He relentlessly argued that Clinton wasn't the right choice, and certain other posters relentlessly destroyed him. We'll never know how things would have turned out for Sanders, but the fact that Clinton failed is quite amazing.