See Italy, Spain Portugal Greece etc etc.

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What does that even mean?

And there was my thinking this is a thread about the US presidential election.

It means our resident troll is in high gear.

All true. But how do you solve the problem without an "Oh shit!" moment like Brexit or Trump? Then again, I'm not that either of these will help to solve the problem.

What happens when you're on the losing side regarding facts is that you just invent new ones and tell your base to ignore anything else repeatedly until they believe it. Once you've created that monster, even you can't control it as your base doesn't even believe you any more.

Fair enough, have some more dirt on Manafort...

AP Sources: Manafort tied to undisclosed foreign lobbying

Let's face it, that's pretty much over at this point. There's only so many times you can recycle the Trump says crazy shit, people still don't like Clinton story.

On a kind of related note, why aren't the FEC doing anything about Trump continually soliciting foreign donations? It's one of the few campaign financing things that is still illegal.

Both at it?

See also Clinton Foundation.

So my grandfather-in-law is one of those people who continually forwards political emails around and lots about Israel. To be fair he does periodically ask if anyone wants to be removed form his list.

Occasionally I send him a link to snopes when it's obvious otherwise I just ignore. He does like it when you correct him and he does send round retractions.

Yesterday he forwarded something from Breitbart about how Kaine is utterly the worst thing for Israel ever11!!11!!! I called him out for forwarding Breitbart stuff and have now sent him lots of reading material on Manafort. Should be fun.

See, that's the problem with this false equivalence bullshit. They're two completely separate issues and by tying them together it makes any legitimate criticism of The Clinton Foundation (which is mostly overblown anyway IMO) easy to just dismiss.

Trump's campaign is flagrantly flouting campaign finance laws and nothing is being done about it.

At least he's willing to accept dissenting information, so all hope is not lost.

True, he is a life long Republican voter but has indicated he is not quite sure about Trump. I doubt he would vote for Hillary (doesn't trust her :-) he's still unsure about Obama) but if I can convince a Kansan to not vote for Trump...

Kansan? Surely you can make the argument that Trump would do to the country what Brownback did to the state.

Here Are The Allegations Trump Has Made Against Obama, Clinton


More than 120 Republicans tell RNC to cut off funds to Donald Trump