British Expats - 2016 Election

It is exactly the point. A lot of bad decision making is driven by people who ignore, invent and exaggerate facts.

You just had a Brexit vote that was driven by emotion, and it has done severe damage to the UK. That's what happens when nobody confronts the lack of thought that fuels these political movements.

All true. But how do you solve the problem without an "Oh shit!" moment like Brexit or Trump? Then again, I'm not that either of these will help to solve the problem.

What happens when you're on the losing side regarding facts is that you just invent new ones and tell your base to ignore anything else repeatedly until they believe it. Once you've created that monster, even you can't control it as your base doesn't even believe you any more.

sir_eccles

Aug 17th 2016 5:02 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12028793)

And there was my thinking this is a thread about the US presidential election.

Fair enough, have some more dirt on Manafort...

AP Sources: Manafort tied to undisclosed foreign lobbying

zargof

Aug 17th 2016 5:03 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12028793)

And there was my thinking this is a thread about the US presidential election.

Let's face it, that's pretty much over at this point. There's only so many times you can recycle the Trump says crazy shit, people still don't like Clinton story.

zargof

Aug 17th 2016 5:07 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 12028803)

Fair enough, have some more dirt on Manafort...

AP Sources: Manafort tied to undisclosed foreign lobbying

On a kind of related note, why aren't the FEC doing anything about Trump continually soliciting foreign donations? It's one of the few campaign financing things that is still illegal.

scrubbedexpat099

Aug 17th 2016 5:12 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by zargof (Post 12028811)

On a kind of related note, why aren't the FEC doing anything about Trump continually soliciting foreign donations? It's one of the few campaign financing things that is still illegal.

Both at it?

See also Clinton Foundation.

sir_eccles

Aug 17th 2016 5:17 am

Re: 2016 Election

So my grandfather-in-law is one of those people who continually forwards political emails around and lots about Israel. To be fair he does periodically ask if anyone wants to be removed form his list.

Occasionally I send him a link to snopes when it's obvious otherwise I just ignore. He does like it when you correct him and he does send round retractions.

Yesterday he forwarded something from Breitbart about how Kaine is utterly the worst thing for Israel ever11!!11!!! I called him out for forwarding Breitbart stuff and have now sent him lots of reading material on Manafort. Should be fun.

zargof

Aug 17th 2016 5:19 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12028815)

Both at it?

See also Clinton Foundation.

See, that's the problem with this false equivalence bullshit. They're two completely separate issues and by tying them together it makes any legitimate criticism of The Clinton Foundation (which is mostly overblown anyway IMO) easy to just dismiss.

Trump's campaign is flagrantly flouting campaign finance laws and nothing is being done about it.

zargof

Aug 17th 2016 5:23 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 12028822)

At least he's willing to accept dissenting information, so all hope is not lost.

sir_eccles

Aug 17th 2016 5:26 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by zargof (Post 12028826)

At least he's willing to accept dissenting information, so all hope is not lost.

True, he is a life long Republican voter but has indicated he is not quite sure about Trump. I doubt he would vote for Hillary (doesn't trust her :-) he's still unsure about Obama) but if I can convince a Kansan to not vote for Trump...

zargof

Aug 17th 2016 5:28 am

Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 12028830)

Kansan? Surely you can make the argument that Trump would do to the country what Brownback did to the state.

amideislas

Aug 17th 2016 6:25 am

Re: 2016 Election

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