2016 Election
Aug 11th 2016 | 5:49 am
#9301
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Re: 2016 Election
Aug 11th 2016 | 5:55 am
#9302
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Re: 2016 Election
I have said on here that I dislike both...neither IMO are suitable for POTUS. That he's got a big mouth etc. My dislike for Trump is much more recent than my dislike for Clinton. My dislike for him began during his run for office...my dislike for her goes way back.
Aug 11th 2016 | 5:56 am
#9303
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Re: 2016 Election
Trump is an unbalanced unpredictable individual who doesn't have a clue how the US Constitution works and thinks he's either the Caped Crusader or would run America like one of his business enterprises.
Take your pick.
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Aug 11th 2016 | 6:04 am
#9304
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From: Peachy
Re: 2016 Election
Well there's the choice we have. No one else is going to suddenly appear. Any talk of Gary Johnson was just talk and he wouldn't have stood a chance against Hillary as Trump's GOP replacement.
Trump is an unbalanced unpredictable individual who doesn't have a clue how the US Constitution works and thinks he's either the Caped Crusader or would run America like one of his business enterprises.
Take your pick.
Trump is an unbalanced unpredictable individual who doesn't have a clue how the US Constitution works and thinks he's either the Caped Crusader or would run America like one of his business enterprises.
Take your pick.
If those on the left don't feel that Clinton is offering them a candidate to vote for, then that is on Clinton and not the voters.
Aug 11th 2016 | 6:45 am
#9305
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Re: 2016 Election
I am unsure how my post could in any manner imaginable saying the Democrats being a war party, nor supporting "trickle down" economics. You indicated my assertions were false, yet in requesting you to identify how most or even one was false no response.
My experience is exactly that- having been involved with international business directly including specifically structuring operations which included criteria of which location was more beneficial. I listed my experience and academic qualifications specifically to your comments saying my comments came from blogs. Your MBA may be more up to date, but what was the major ? Did you specifically do any case studies on (a) subsidies for large corporations for marketing, advertising and export efforts (which I think is outrageous) (b) comparing the regulatory burden between countries (c) comparing effective tax rates between countries , and within different industries ? (d) have you any practical experience operating internationally on which to base an opinion.
Partisan comments that ignore logic from both the left and right do encourage dialogue and learning. I really am amazed how my comments could be related to those who claim democrats are the war party- my own opinion is the Washington establishment of both parties have mishandled the foreign policy the last 20 to 25 years in terms of the results we are seeing.
My experience is exactly that- having been involved with international business directly including specifically structuring operations which included criteria of which location was more beneficial. I listed my experience and academic qualifications specifically to your comments saying my comments came from blogs. Your MBA may be more up to date, but what was the major ? Did you specifically do any case studies on (a) subsidies for large corporations for marketing, advertising and export efforts (which I think is outrageous) (b) comparing the regulatory burden between countries (c) comparing effective tax rates between countries , and within different industries ? (d) have you any practical experience operating internationally on which to base an opinion.
Partisan comments that ignore logic from both the left and right do encourage dialogue and learning. I really am amazed how my comments could be related to those who claim democrats are the war party- my own opinion is the Washington establishment of both parties have mishandled the foreign policy the last 20 to 25 years in terms of the results we are seeing.
You can't say the tax rate is the highest but not acknowledge all the deductions. The effective tax rate is what counts.
And regulation isn't easy to compare without specifying an industry. But the US is pretty lax there too and I don't see much holding our largest companies back - we have some of the largest and most innovative companies in the world.
The only CEOs I hear complain about taxes and regulation I lump in with the same CEOs who claim to have increased shareholder value by eliminating 401k contributions.
And yes, in answer to your MBA question. Mine's not from Phoenix.
PS typing on a smartphone sucks.
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Aug 11th 2016 | 6:59 am
#9306
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Re: 2016 Election
If you vote for a third party, then you are selecting a spoiler who will do more to help the major candidate who you favor the least. For those who reside in swing states, voting for the spoiler is self-defeating.
It's odd for those who rightly mock supply-side economics to embrace supply-side politics. If you want the Democrats to support a more leftist candidate, then it will first be necessary to create conditions in which that leftist candidate could win the general election.
This is not a Field of Dreams election process. If a candidate who is too far left for the American electorate is nominated, then the voters will either not show up or else vote for the other guy.
And in this particular instance, one would have to be barking mad to see Trump and Clinton as equivalents. They aren't even close to being the same, and I shouldn't have to point out which one of the two is more acceptable.
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Aug 11th 2016 | 7:04 am
#9307
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Re: 2016 Election
This reminds me of those who use the labor force participation rate as a measure of unemployment, when we use unemployment to measure unemployment. Since the unemployment rate doesn't tell the story that they want to tell, we are left with this butchery of other statistics that sound impressive to idiots but that otherwise aren't on point
Aug 11th 2016 | 7:33 am
#9308
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Re: 2016 Election
Oh ffs. What's next? A cock measuring contest?
Aug 11th 2016 | 8:43 am
#9309
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From: Peachy
Re: 2016 Election
The reality is that the US was (inadvertently) engineered to support a two-party system, which makes presidential elections an either-or decision.
If you vote for a third party, then you are selecting a spoiler who will do more to help the major candidate who you favor the least. For those who reside in swing states, voting for the spoiler is self-defeating.
It's odd for those who rightly mock supply-side economics to embrace supply-side politics. If you want the Democrats to support a more leftist candidate, then it will first be necessary to create conditions in which that leftist candidate could win the general election.
This is not a Field of Dreams election process. If a candidate who is too far left for the American electorate is nominated, then the voters will either not show up or else vote for the other guy.
And in this particular instance, one would have to be barking mad to see Trump and Clinton as equivalents. They aren't even close to being the same, and I shouldn't have to point out which one of the two is more acceptable.
If you vote for a third party, then you are selecting a spoiler who will do more to help the major candidate who you favor the least. For those who reside in swing states, voting for the spoiler is self-defeating.
It's odd for those who rightly mock supply-side economics to embrace supply-side politics. If you want the Democrats to support a more leftist candidate, then it will first be necessary to create conditions in which that leftist candidate could win the general election.
This is not a Field of Dreams election process. If a candidate who is too far left for the American electorate is nominated, then the voters will either not show up or else vote for the other guy.
And in this particular instance, one would have to be barking mad to see Trump and Clinton as equivalents. They aren't even close to being the same, and I shouldn't have to point out which one of the two is more acceptable.
Now if after the convention Clinton takes the left for granted and tries to woo disaffected Republican by moving to the right. If that's Clinton's strategy, then fair enough, but don't be surprised if she loses the progressives. It may be that Clinton doesn't care and in reality, the way Trump is imploding, it really shouldn't matter as Clinton really shouldn't lose whatever she does. But if Clinton loses the progressive vote, then it will be the fault of her campaign and not the voters.
In the same way as Republicans shouldn't vote for Trump if they don't think he represents their values, why should progressives vote for Clinton if the don't think she doesn't represent their values?
Aug 11th 2016 | 8:47 am
#9310
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Re: 2016 Election
The fact is Trump makes it effectively a Hobson's choice, and still not a good one at that. But that shouldn't give Clinton carte blanche to move to the right without being criticised for it.
If those on the left don't feel that Clinton is offering them a candidate to vote for, then that is on Clinton and not the voters.
If those on the left don't feel that Clinton is offering them a candidate to vote for, then that is on Clinton and not the voters.
"In politics things are never straightforward. Differences in opinion are rarely resolved and almost never definitively; in politics the best outcomes are typically compromises that leave all parties grumbling. In politics the ignorant and venal have as much right to their votes as the educated and upstanding"
Past Presidents such Roosevelt and Lyndon Johnson knew about compromise. Hillary I trust is already aware. As for Trump.... well
Aug 11th 2016 | 8:49 am
#9311
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Re: 2016 Election
This does kind of miss the point of what I'm trying to say. During the primary Sanders pushed Clinton to the left, and after up until the convention the negotiations were to make the platform and Clinton adopt progressive positions to win over Sanders' supporters.
Now if after the convention Clinton takes the left for granted and tries to woo disaffected Republican by moving to the right. If that's Clinton's strategy, then fair enough, but don't be surprised if she loses the progressives.
Now if after the convention Clinton takes the left for granted and tries to woo disaffected Republican by moving to the right. If that's Clinton's strategy, then fair enough, but don't be surprised if she loses the progressives.
Aug 11th 2016 | 8:53 am
#9312
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Re: 2016 Election
The thing is if you dislike Hillary but loathe Trump then vote for Hillary. A no vote for either only qualifies you as being even more deserving of the government you end up with
Aug 11th 2016 | 9:04 am
#9313
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Re: 2016 Election
Most of us are quite capable of making up our own minds who to vote for. No-one's opinion or endorsement would influence my choice.
Aug 11th 2016 | 9:08 am
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Re: 2016 Election
Not yet, which is why I said if. But, if as reported Clinton is trying to woo Kissinger and other neocons, does that mean that a) she is willing to be more hawkish to get that support, or b) she is already hawkish enough for them to support her?
Aug 11th 2016 | 9:09 am
#9315
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Re: 2016 Election
or c) neither, but she feels she has a good chance of getting their endorsement given the behaviour of her opponent.
