Originally Posted by amideislas

All very consistent with Zakaria's bullshit theory.

Originally Posted by Leslie

The fact that Trump has yet to release his tax returns just shows what a God awful campaign he's been running. If he would have released them last year, everybody would have chewed on them for a while and it would all be behind us by now. Political malpractice.

Originally Posted by amideislas

Yeah, Les, but there is a certain reality: His campaign has been shockingly, inexplicably successful, despite being god awful. And without disclosing anything, he may well not lose even one of his supporters. To me, that reflects as much or more on his supporters than he himself. Used car salesmen are a dime a dozen. I suppose suckers are too.

Originally Posted by amideislas

Did you know that Hillary secretly went to prison for cannibalism?

Originally Posted by Leslie

I find it incredibly sad that certain people actually believe he's going to reopen the coal mines and steel mills. He said it himself, "I love the poorly educated." Of course he does, they've never taken a course in critical thinking and have no idea how to deconstruct a fallacious argument.

IIRC Trump's "base", those that will vote for him no matter what, give him a solid floor of about 30%. The fact that Clinton is NOT polling at 60-70% is testament to what a shit candidate she is herself.

Originally Posted by Nutmegger

You mean exactly like Trump's relentless hot air about Obama's place of birth? Not withstanding the fact that the word "focus" is totally missing from Trump's vocabulary -- he will do anything to avoid any focus on his lack of policy.

Originally Posted by sir_eccles

Morpeth, if as you say so adamantly that his tax returns won't show any ties to Russia, won't show his real pitifulincome or his yuge charitable contributions, then why doesn't he release it like every other candidate has done so since Nixon? What is he hiding? He is standing as a businessman therefore we judge him as one on his income.

Originally Posted by amideislas

She is a shit candidate. I have my doubts about all the wild accusations about her (although it's clear she's a politician, doesn't, and probably in some cases, cannot walk the straight line). But she's really a shit candidate.

I like Bernie's character, but his endless idealism is equally as implausible. Wasn't it politifact that compared all the candidates' stated policies, and found that Bernie's world would cost by far the most - something like $20 trillion in the first term?

Politics is a shitty job. best you can hope for is leadership who's wise enough not to take it too far either way.

Originally Posted by Leslie

This is not a convincing argument. You are basically saying that the American people are too stupid to do two things at once. You're saying that if Trump were to release his tax returns, the voters would somehow forget everything else in the election because their pea brains would only be able to focus on his tax returns from now until November 8th. This election has been going on for over a year. We have plenty of time look at the "issues" as well as learning if Trump conducts himself in a financially ethical manner.

--Not saying that as all, just that any distraction from the issues I believe is not beneficial.
--- Just considering many comments on this post about what some think a tax return shows, and I assume people posting on this threat are more educated than average, makes me wonder how much more distraction would occur.

Things that Trump's tax returns will give insight to:

CHARACTER:

• Does he pay taxes?
• Does he cheat on his taxes?
• Does his income correspond with his deductions?
• Has he lied about his wealth?

-----Yet again, a tax return doesn't show net worth, and in the case of the wealthy how much they are making since they have options what income they declare on their tax return
----- Someone as wealthy as Trump certainly has legal and tax advisors that prepare and guide his tax strategies, and I highly doubt looking at his tax returns whether he cheats on his tax returns. (Though I must admit looking at IRS correspondence concerning his audits could be revealing on that matter).

MATTERS OF NATIONAL SECURITY:

• Where does his money come from?
• Are there mob ties or ties to the Russians? Both have been alleged.
• Who does he owe money to?

----Again, the above three matters will not be shown on his tax return.




He would have to put the businesses in the name of his children. Not a particularly big deal, lots of presidents have had this situation. The fact that Trump is a control freak and probably won't behave properly and ethically while in office ... that's the real problem.

Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ywfEkjgSkQ
Ron Paul is pretty cynical about the likelihood of Hillary being prosecuted for her crimes, too. He likens the present wars to the war against Vietnam, and the reluctance of that war's supporters to finally back away from the US military's campaign of ruthless slaughters.

People living in the US are naturally concerned chiefly with which Presidential candidate will do best for them economically. Crimes against humanity don't feature highly, especially when the victims are regarded as sub-humans. I understand that position, but my conscience doesn't allow me to admire it - and for the sake of the world I hope the supporters of Hillary and her sponsors wake up soon to the unspeakable atrocities that are being committed in their names.