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dakota44 Aug 4th 2016 8:05 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
Trump is now trailing in all the battleground states. His one time lead on Pa. Is now an 8 point deficit.

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Jerseygirl Aug 4th 2016 8:17 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by dakota44 (Post 12020084)
Trump is now trailing in all the battleground states. His one time lead on Pa. Is now an 8 point deficit.

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I can't see how he can redeem himself now...unless something really dreadful is unearthed about Clinton...or a major terrorist attack.

zargof Aug 4th 2016 8:34 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12020094)
I can't see how he can redeem himself now...unless something really dreadful is unearthed about Clinton...or a major terrorist attack.

First one is doubtful, Republicans have been trying that for the last 20+ years. His best tactic would be to keep his trap shut and only open it to remind everyone of how bad Hillary is. But we all know there is no way his ego would allow that.

dakota44 Aug 4th 2016 8:42 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12020094)
I can't see how he can redeem himself now...unless something really dreadful is unearthed about Clinton...or a major terrorist attack.

Let's hope he can't. Whatever anyione thinks of Clinton....Trump would be the worst possible thing for the country and the world. The Republican downticket might take a beating too and we might get a Congress without all the obstruction.

amideislas Aug 4th 2016 10:01 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
I believe there is a certain value in just letting Trump shoot off his mouth. It illustrates to people that they should be careful "what they know for sure".

In fact, Trump should be encouraged to "tell it like it is" (in his opinion), because it will ultimately prove what a charlatan he is, and (hopefully) the electorate will finally realise they've been hoodwinked by a used car salesman.

At this juncture, I have a sneaking suspicion that this may be precisely the strategy the Clinton campaign is adopting for now. Deafening silence at the moment. Let him screw himself.

The risk is that his campaign advisors actually convince him to grow up and play like a pro, but somehow I have my doubts he can live with that, and that will be his undoing.

Leslie Aug 4th 2016 10:51 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by magnumpi (Post 12019408)
He is a perfect candidate then, he can say all sorts of bull about Russia and China and any country then just say "huh not me pal" "I said nowt" :ohmy:

I don't know if that makes him a "perfect candidate" but that is exactly what he does.

dc koop Aug 4th 2016 10:51 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
The man cant even get his VP nominee behind him. Trump refuses to endorse Paul Ryan, Pence endorses Ryan.
It's absolutely pathetic.

Leslie Aug 4th 2016 10:56 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by morpeth (Post 12019395)
I don't know about media not going after Trump. CNN seems to talk about Trump non stop, and my impression is they go very light on Clinton. I agree about the tirades and bullying, in fact all of his surrogates seem to explain this that it is because he is strong he will always " hit back". Almost seems Trump believes in the theory that even bad publicity is more publicity, or just to distract people.

They talk about him incessantly because he constantly interjects himself into the news cycle. For a week or two he behaved like a normal human (no sexist or racist remarks and minimal tweeting) and they left him alone.


You asked for an example- take his recent NATO comments. The media got all up in arms but for years even within the foreign policy establishment there have been discussion about whether NATO since the fall of the Soviet Union need to be re-considered, and also for years the NATO members should pull their own weight. So Trump is asked about the US obligations and he responds what about obligations of others ? Surely this approach would be more successful in getting NATO members to pay more, or re-evaluate aspects of NATO than simply giving the Clinton approach is the US will meet its obligations, but by the way Europeans would you be so nice to pay a bit more.
Disagreeing with policy positions does not equate misrepresentation.

Leslie Aug 4th 2016 11:00 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by anotherlimey (Post 12019904)
Who cares what Melania did?

She was a model who probably worked all over the globe.

Seriously, there's far more to worry about with Trump than his wife's visa status 20 years ago.

And what about the people that entered the US without proper documentation 20 years ago ... those ones that he's threatening to throw out?

Nobody gives a shit about what Melania Trump did 20 years ago but Trump is demonizing everybody else in the country that did the exact same thing.

Leslie Aug 4th 2016 11:02 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by anotherlimey (Post 12019947)
But before they were an item. Worse for me is his use of cheap immigrant workers.

Oh wait... we're on an expats forum... lol

Sorry. Zero tolerance. LOCK. HER. UP.

Leslie Aug 4th 2016 11:04 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12020094)
I can't see how he can redeem himself now...unless something really dreadful is unearthed about Clinton...or a major terrorist attack.

I've heard this said but I'm not convinced. There have been numerous "major" terrorist attacks recently, both here and abroad, why would another one make a difference?

scrubbedexpat099 Aug 4th 2016 11:06 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 12020194)
And what about the people that entered the US without proper documentation 20 years ago ... those ones that he's threatening to throw out?

Nobody gives a shit about what Melania Trump did 20 years ago but Trump is demonizing everybody else in the country that did the exact same thing.

I do

I saw the photos.

Steerpike Aug 4th 2016 12:01 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12020094)
I can't see how he can redeem himself now...unless something really dreadful is unearthed about Clinton...or a major terrorist attack.

But just a few weeks ago (after RNC, before DNC) he was ahead of Clinton. Are we not just getting a bit caught up in the daily swings here?

morpeth Aug 4th 2016 12:28 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 12020193)
They talk about him incessantly because he constantly interjects himself into the news cycle. For a week or two he behaved like a normal human (no sexist or racist remarks and minimal tweeting) and they left him alone.



Disagreeing with policy positions does not equate misrepresentation.

Well maybe they should incessantly talk about policy positions, and at the same time about Clinton. While Trump's firing back at the Khan fellow certainly didn't show much class, the poor soldier died because of rules of engagement that precluded more forceful action to protect himself- that to me would be a bigger issue ( I have heard this from many soldiers who have served in the last few years). Both candidates seem to get a free ride in the relative lack of serious consideration of their economic plans. Yet non stop discussion of Trump's off-hand comments a bit tiresome.

As far as normal human actually part of Trump's appeal is that to many he is the more human candidate. While Clinton says how horrible it would be to build a wall at risk of offending someone, Trump says lets secure the border and build a wall. There are many "normal" people who would agree with a simple solution to a problem that has been there for decades.

Trump makes an off-hand comment about NATO. If that is considered a policy position, then why doesn't the press specifically ask Clinton her policy to get NATO countries to pay up ? If Trump's policy is to firmly control the border, why does the press avoid asking Clinton her plans to control the border ?

Anyway Trump has shown he should count to ten or even five before he speaks, and may have some sort of medical condition ( just my opinion I am not a doctor) that he doesn't comprehend at times the questions posed to him.

Again, Sanders should be a write-in candidate !

morpeth Aug 4th 2016 12:30 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 12020197)
I've heard this said but I'm not convinced. There have been numerous "major" terrorist attacks recently, both here and abroad, why would another one make a difference?

If people get worried enough, Trump would become more appealing.


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