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Old Feb 17th 2016, 5:29 pm
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Originally Posted by dakota44
It seems Trump may have massively lied about losing hundreds of friends on 9/11 and on donating large quantities of money to help the victims and survivors. The worst lie possible.

Trump Won’t Name Any of the ‘Hundreds of Friends’ He Says Died on 9/11 - The Daily Beast
We're in a post-truth period of politics, so it won't make any difference. Just like everyone of his other lies.
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Originally Posted by dakota44
It seems Trump may have massively lied about losing hundreds of friends on 9/11 and on donating large quantities of money to help the victims and survivors. The worst lie possible.

Trump Won’t Name Any of the ‘Hundreds of Friends’ He Says Died on 9/11 - The Daily Beast
It's probably just easier to assume that anything Trump claims is at least incorrect.
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Some factors favor the Dems, others favor the GOP. I wouldn't be resting easy if I was in the Democratic leadership. I'm inclined to think that the Dems (Clinton) will prevail, but it's not a sure thing and there are factors against them.

Just as a matter of history, the GOP really should be the favorite simply because the electorate tends to switch parties following a second-term candidacy (although the electoral map poses real challenges.) But the Republicans have become a fragmented party with its populist wing out of control, and I'm willing to bet that we're going to end up with a brokered convention that is engineered to keep Trump and Cruz out, which will upset their fans. The establishment doesn't like those fans very much, but it needs them if it is to have even the slightest chance of winning. It would be nice to win over swing voters but it may have to take what it can get from the base.
Yes they should, given the one overriding factor: the economy (stupid) is still pretty meh.

A brokered convention may happen, but if the results go the way of what the polls show, then it would be pretty difficult fnior Trump not to be the winner. Unless all the establishment rally behind a single candidate. Would be pretty interesting to see that play out. It may be what happens though as having Trump as the nominee would probably mean losses further down the ticket, losing the Senate and taking a big hit in the House.
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Cruz has shot back at Donald's threats of a lawsuit - by threatening to depose Donald in court himself.

This is better than Game of Thrones.
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Just to get back to Scalia for a second. I just want to say how much I love Glenn Beck for this. It's a masterpiece...

Glenn Beck: God Allowed Scalia To Die In Order To Highlight The Importance Of Electing Ted Cruz | Right Wing Watch
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Originally Posted by zargof
Yes they should, given the one overriding factor: the economy (stupid) is still pretty meh.

A brokered convention may happen, but if the results go the way of what the polls show, then it would be pretty difficult fnior Trump not to be the winner. Unless all the establishment rally behind a single candidate. Would be pretty interesting to see that play out. It may be what happens though as having Trump as the nominee would probably mean losses further down the ticket, losing the Senate and taking a big hit in the House.
The problem the GOP has is that they still have too many candidates. It's Trump v the rest and he is arguably winning a plurality of the vote but not a majority. It need to get down to Trump, Rubio, Cruz quickly.
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The problem the GOP has is that they still have too many candidates. It's Trump v the rest and he is arguably winning a plurality of the vote but not a majority. It need to get down to Trump, Rubio, Cruz quickly.
It won't though, as Jeb!!!!! isn't going anywhere soon as he still has plenty of cash left and will not be allowed back in the house until he's President. Plus Kasich just came second in NH and is starting to get some support in SC, so he'll be sticking around a while as well.
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It won't though, as Jeb!!!!! isn't going anywhere soon as he still has plenty of cash left and will not be allowed back in the house until he's President. Plus Kasich just came second in NH and is starting to get some support in SC, so he'll be sticking around a while as well.
Exactly, everyone is being stubborn as hell thinking they are the chosen one. Only Carson as he runs out of money is likely to drop out at this point.
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This so-called "2016 Election" thread has become positively boring, with posters banging on endlessly about how terrible and how unelectable and how intellectually dishonest, etc, etc. the Republican candidates are and breathless posts on 'here's the latest proof.' Probably 99.8% of the posts are as I described. It case you all haven't noticed, Boiler and I are about the only non-liberals still bothering to check in, and it's likely he'll be the last one standing in the thread very shortly.

There is close to ZERO analysis as to why Hillary's campaign is imploding and what that portends. The latest Quinnipiac Poll shows her in a nation-wide statistical dead heat with a 74 year-old self-proclaimed socialist (44 - 42%). She's losing millennials and young women. Why? Even Move-on.org isn't firmly in her camp. She and Trump have the highest negatives of everyone out there. If she gets the nomination and the Republicans nominate either of the Hermanos Cubanas or another non-Trump, what happens then?

Could we please have some real thinking about the strengths and weaknesses of candidates on both side? Or is this just the Ex-Pat subsidiary of Daily Kos?
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There is close to ZERO analysis as to why Hillary's campaign is imploding and what that portends. The latest Quinnipiac Poll shows her in a nation-wide statistical dead heat with a 74 year-old self-proclaimed socialist (44 - 42%). She's losing millennials and young women. Why? Even Move-on.org isn't firmly in her camp. She and Trump have the highest negatives of everyone out there. If she gets the nomination and the Republicans nominate either of the Hermanos Cubanas or another non-Trump, what happens then?

Could we please have some real thinking about the strengths and weaknesses of candidates on both side? Or is this just the Ex-Pat subsidiary of Daily Kos?
I am interested to hear why others are so confident Hillary will get the nomination.

Are Iowa and NH just outliers?
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I am interested to hear why others are so confident Hillary will get the nomination.

Are Iowa and NH just outliers?
The reasoning is that Clinton has a big advantage with minorities and now that the mostly white IA and NH are out of the way she'll start to pick up an unassailable lead in the South where there are more minorities.

It may not be that simple though...

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Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
This so-called "2016 Election" thread has become positively boring, with posters banging on endlessly about how terrible and how unelectable and how intellectually dishonest, etc, etc. the Republican candidates are and breathless posts on 'here's the latest proof.' Probably 99.8% of the posts are as I described. It case you all haven't noticed, Boiler and I are about the only non-liberals still bothering to check in, and it's likely he'll be the last one standing in the thread very shortly.

There is close to ZERO analysis as to why Hillary's campaign is imploding and what that portends. The latest Quinnipiac Poll shows her in a nation-wide statistical dead heat with a 74 year-old self-proclaimed socialist (44 - 42%). She's losing millennials and young women. Why? Even Move-on.org isn't firmly in her camp. She and Trump have the highest negatives of everyone out there. If she gets the nomination and the Republicans nominate either of the Hermanos Cubanas or another non-Trump, what happens then?

Could we please have some real thinking about the strengths and weaknesses of candidates on both side? Or is this just the Ex-Pat subsidiary of Daily Kos?
Have you missed all of my posts regarding Clinton's weaknesses? Surely not, it sent RoadWarrior into a right state.

If you want to talk about the GOP, there really isn't much more to say other than how they're imploding. Robert Reich sums up the current state here, and it's not pretty.

Robert Reich: The GOP died in 2016 - Salon.com
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Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
This so-called "2016 Election" thread has become positively boring, with posters banging on endlessly about how terrible and how unelectable and how intellectually dishonest, etc, etc. the Republican candidates are and breathless posts on 'here's the latest proof.' Probably 99.8% of the posts are as I described. It case you all haven't noticed, Boiler and I are about the only non-liberals still bothering to check in, and it's likely he'll be the last one standing in the thread very shortly.
This thread could certainly use some intelligent analysis from the right. Unfortunately, of the two "non-liberals", one is essentially a troll and the other spends half his time positing strawmen. Maybe a good start would be for those two posters to up their game?

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
There is close to ZERO analysis as to why Hillary's campaign is imploding and what that portends. The latest Quinnipiac Poll shows her in a nation-wide statistical dead heat with a 74 year-old self-proclaimed socialist (44 - 42%). She's losing millennials and young women. Why? Even Move-on.org isn't firmly in her camp. She and Trump have the highest negatives of everyone out there. If she gets the nomination and the Republicans nominate either of the Hermanos Cubanas or another non-Trump, what happens then?
The USA Today poll of the same dates as the Quinnipiac has Clinton with a double digit lead. This week's South Carolina poll has her 18% ahead; Nevada a dead heat. So I wouldn't say that Clinton's campaign is "imploding", more that the race is way more competitive than most expected. You've got to give Sanders a lot of credit for that; I've certainly been feeling the Bern the last couple of weeks.
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I wouldn't want to speak for Boiler but I wasn't under the impression he was a "non-liberal". Anti Hillary for sure but...
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I wouldn't want to speak for Boiler but I wasn't under the impression he was a "non-liberal". Anti Hillary for sure but...
I always had him down as a sort of independent libertarian. One doesn't have to be non-liberal to be anti-Hillary anyway. Hillary herself is barely centre-left these days, let alone liberal.
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