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Old Oct 17th 2015 | 8:33 pm
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Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
I suppose the core question on the question of who should be allowed to vote is whether there should be any distinction whatsoever between residents of the US who are citizens and those who aren't. California appears to have made that decision by automatically registering as voters everyone, including undocumented aliens, all those who are awarded driver's licenses. It may safely be assumed that there is a political advantage to the governing party by doing that.

I'd love to be able to drop in on Canada and vote in their elections and maybe vote in Mexico as well - but I don't think that would be allowed to happen in either country.
You are correct, at least for Canada, not going to be voting up here unless your a citizen and can prove who you are.....


We don't get as many interesting elections as the US does, but the one on Monday is the 2nd most exciting one in the 11 years I have been here. Most seem to want the conservatives out, but with 3 major nationwide parties the votes get split 3 ways, so the conservatives may end up with a minority, and the other 2 parties will need to work together to get conservatives out, doubtful either of the 2 will get a majority or minority, but who knows, way higher early voting turn out last weekend, so Monday may see voters in mass, large turn out isn't generally good for the sitting party.
 
Old Oct 18th 2015 | 2:19 am
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Trump is attacking Jeb on twitter over his brother's record.

Apparently jeb's brother George was president during the attacks of 9/11. This is apparently quite a revelation. No one in the Gop has realized this fact.
 
Old Oct 18th 2015 | 2:45 am
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Originally Posted by sir_eccles
Apparently jeb's brother George was president during the attacks of 9/11. This is apparently quite a revelation. No one in the Gop has realized this fact.
OMG! I never knew that George was President when 9/11 happened. This changes everything...
 
Old Oct 18th 2015 | 3:19 am
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Just wanted to say SNL's take on the Dem debate knocked it out of the park. Larry David as Bernie Sanders is up there with Tina Fey as Sarah Palin.

 
Old Oct 18th 2015 | 4:09 am
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Originally Posted by zargof
Just wanted to say SNL's take on the Dem debate knocked it out of the park. Larry David as Bernie Sanders is up there with Tina Fey as Sarah Palin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfmwGAd1L-o
Agreed but - Bernie isn't as funny (laughable, pathetic) as Sarah P so mocking him isn't anywhere near as funny!
 
Old Oct 18th 2015 | 4:36 am
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Originally Posted by Boiler
Probably very few people use IE, so not a major issue.
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Browser usage is a somewhat complicated statistic. Most people are somewhat lazy/unmotivated to change the default browser on whatever device they are using, so browser usage broadly follows device usage.

Windows users still overwhelmingly use IE as their browser simply because it's built in and set to default. Mac OS-X users similarly use Safari. iPad and iPhone users also use Safari. Android phone/tablet users overwhelmingly use Chrome.

Firefox is the only mainstream browser that is not installed and set to the default by any manufacturer, so any user using FF went out of their way to get it.

Tablet and phone usage is now overtaking desktop usage and the statistics are reflecting that.

Looking at this fairly comprehensive analysis, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_...f_web_browsers , IE still has a large number of users - 24% of all visits to US Govt. websites (41% chrome). For visits to all sites IE is still in 2nd / 3rd place (toying for position with Safari, around 13%) with Chrome in the lead (50%).

Bottom line, relevant to the discussion on this thread, IE is the second/third most popular browser and it is foolish to marginalize it as a browser 'not worth fixing issues for'....

ETA - I just posted this reply from FF and it suffered the same fate - losing blank lines between paragraphs. I edited the post, manually put the gaps back in, and this time they are sticking ...

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Old Oct 18th 2015 | 3:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
Browser usage is a somewhat complicated statistic. Most people are somewhat lazy/unmotivated to change the default browser on whatever device they are using, so browser usage broadly follows device usage.

Windows users still overwhelmingly use IE as their browser simply because it's built in and set to default. Mac OS-X users similarly use Safari. iPad and iPhone users also use Safari. Android phone/tablet users overwhelmingly use Chrome.

Firefox is the only mainstream browser that is not installed and set to the default by any manufacturer, so any user using FF went out of their way to get it.

Tablet and phone usage is now overtaking desktop usage and the statistics are reflecting that.

Looking at this fairly comprehensive analysis, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_...f_web_browsers , IE still has a large number of users - 24% of all visits to US Govt. websites (41% chrome). For visits to all sites IE is still in 2nd / 3rd place (toying for position with Safari, around 13%) with Chrome in the lead (50%).

Bottom line, relevant to the discussion on this thread, IE is the second/third most popular browser and it is foolish to marginalize it as a browser 'not worth fixing issues for'....

ETA - I just posted this reply from FF and it suffered the same fate - losing blank lines between paragraphs. I edited the post, manually put the gaps back in, and this time they are sticking ...
I just want to leave an empty complaint here relating to my employer forcing me to use IE9 in this day and age... not even supported on half the sites I visit.
 
Old Oct 18th 2015 | 4:34 pm
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Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
California appears to have made that decision by automatically registering as voters everyone, including undocumented aliens, all those who are awarded driver's licenses. It may safely be assumed that there is a political advantage to the governing party by doing that.
"Automated voter registration is actually a more secure way of doing things," California Secretary of State Alex Padilla told HuffPost in September. Potential voters "have to demonstrate proof of age, the vast majority of time people are showing a birth certificate or a passport, which also reflects citizenship. That's arguably more secure than someone checking a box under penalty of perjury," Padilla said. [Huffington Post, 10/10/15]"

Fox News Uses New California Voter Registration Law To Fearmonger That State Will "Provide Shelter For Illegals To Vote" | Research | Media Matters for America

I see California is actually creating a new database to facilitate determining whether a license applicant is an eligible voter. The idea that illegal immigrants are going to be registered to vote because they can get a driver's license is false.

It's interesting that many Democratic states are trying to increase voter participation whereas many Republican states are doing their best to stymie it.

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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
It's interesting that many Democratic states are trying to increase voter participation whereas many Republican states are doing their best to stymie it.
High turnout is bad for Republicans. It's not surprising that they want to reduce voting participation, particularly among minority groups that they make a point of vilifying.
 
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
I just dont get the whole ID issue down there.
It's a new form of Jim Crow.
 
Old Oct 19th 2015 | 2:57 am
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Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP
High turnout is bad for Republicans. It's not surprising that they want to reduce voting participation, particularly among minority groups that they make a point of vilifying.
I can't remember the exact number but the turn out for the recent mid terms was terrible.

Looked it up, lowest in 70 years 36% nationally

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/12/op...ears.html?_r=0
 
Old Oct 19th 2015 | 3:05 am
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Voter ID --- Definitely a hardship for the poor and elderly.
........ My specific case: I've always been registered to vote in Texas in my maiden name. I've never registered under any other name. My drivers license has always been in my maiden name. I married in 2003 and divorced in 2008 --- but I never took my husband's last name. Last year, Texas sent me my new Voter Registration Certificate and it now, for the first time ever, is in my ex's last name. My legal ID no longer matches the name they've registered for me to vote. If they ask for my ID, I won't be allowed to vote. Awesome.
 
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Voter ID --- Definitely a hardship for the poor and elderly.
........ My specific case: I've always been registered to vote in Texas in my maiden name. I've never registered under any other name. My drivers license has always been in my maiden name. I married in 2003 and divorced in 2008 --- but I never took my husband's last name. Last year, Texas sent me my new Voter Registration Certificate and it now, for the first time ever, is in my ex's last name. My legal ID no longer matches the name they've registered for me to vote. If they ask for my ID, I won't be allowed to vote. Awesome.
I trust you're neither poor nor elderly. Do you plan to seek a replacement Voter Registration Certificate in your proper name? What is the procedure?
 
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A cliff-hanger presidential election, major issues at stake, an estimated $6 billion spent in the 2012 campaigns and an eight million person increase in the eligible voters all failed to sustain the upward momentum for turnout from 2004 and 2008. Voter turnout dipped from 62.3 percent of eligible citizens voting in 2008 to an estimated 57.5 in 2012. That figure was also below the 60.4 level of the 2004 election but higher than the 54.2 percent turnout in the 2000 election. Despite an increase of over eight million citizens in the eligible population, turnout declined from 131 million voters in 2008 to an estimated 126 million voters in 2012 when all ballots are tallied. Some 93 million eligible citizens did not vote. The turnout percentage of eligibles voting was down from 2008 in every state and the District of Columbia, except two—Iowa and Louisiana. The turnout numbers of citizens who cast ballots were down in every state but six—Delaware, Iowa, Louisiana, North Carolina, North Dakota and Wisconsin. 2012 Voter Turnout Report | Bipartisan Policy Center


93 million eligible voters failed to vote. An interesting question is whether the Republicans managed to keep that many voters away from the polls. A monumental effort as they also managed to lower the voting in states ruled by Democrats with an iron fist.

Now I know where my donations to the RNC went - to its "Sink the Vote!" programme. But low voter turnout doesn't seem to have hurt Democrats too much, so money wasted.

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Old Oct 19th 2015 | 7:33 am
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Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
But low voter turnout doesn't seem to have hurt Democrats too much, so money wasted.
Actually, the results of the last midterms suggest otherwise.
 


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