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Re: Are you affected by the heat?
:thumbup: have found http://spanishexperts.blogspot.com/2...-vs-usted.html which professes to put some light on the matter - but its Mexican Spanish as opposed to Spanish Spanish (is there such a thing outside Madrid?) |
Re: Are you affected by the heat?
Originally Posted by bil
(Post 9570999)
A Spanish guy told me once that a tilde is the emphasis. The wiggly bit on the top of the n isn't a tilde and doesn't have a seperate identy. n+wiggly is called 'enya' |
Re: Are you affected by the heat?
Originally Posted by bil
(Post 9570999)
Try typing e s p a tilde n a
That's how the accents work on mine, altho I have ñ as a single key. A Spanish guy told me once that a tilde is the emphasis. The wiggly bit on the top of the n isn't a tilde and doesn't have a seperate identy. n+wiggly is called 'enya' after all, the ñ (enye) IS a separate letter, as you say jeez the heat must be affecting me................I don't often agree with you:eek: |
Re: Are you affected by the heat?
Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 9571010)
Enye, ¿no? Enya is an Irish singer!;) Going back several years all Spanish dictionaries listed ñ and ll as separate letters, now they are talking about trying to do away with the ñ all together.
and changed the names of w & y :( |
Re: Are you affected by the heat?
Originally Posted by lynnxa
(Post 9571015)
well they did away with ll last november:frown:
and changed the names of w & y :( |
Re: Are you affected by the heat?
Originally Posted by Domino
(Post 9571006)
like that
:thumbup: have found http://spanishexperts.blogspot.com/2...-vs-usted.html which professes to put some light on the matter - but its Mexican Spanish as opposed to Spanish Spanish (is there such a thing outside Madrid?) |
Re: Are you affected by the heat?
Originally Posted by fionamw
(Post 9571072)
To what? my NIE has a Y in it, maybe I've been saying it wrong for six months!
it's just not called i griega now - you're supposed to call it ye not that many people would really care I guess - even if they know.... the RAE makes these odd changes every now & then, & I would imagine that kids are now being taught to say ye, whereas us oldies will always call it i griega |
Re: Are you affected by the heat?
Originally Posted by lynnxa
(Post 9571012)
jeez the heat must be affecting me................I don't often agree with you:eek:
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Re: Are you affected by the heat?
Originally Posted by The Oddities
(Post 9571090)
You need to visit urgencias......urgently.....very concerned for your health.....especially your brain!!!!!!!!
Rosemary |
Re: Are you affected by the heat?
Originally Posted by lynnxa
(Post 9571085)
the RAE makes these odd changes every now & then, & I would imagine that kids are now being taught to say ye, whereas us oldies will always call it i griega "W" is, as of November 28, 2010, officially called "doble uve" (although in the past it has also been called "uve doble," "doble ve," and "doble u"), and "y" is now officially called "ye" (because it is used more often as a consonant than as a vowel, although it has traditionally been called "i griega"). These official uses are considered recommendations, not requirements (i.e., the other names are not considered "wrong"), but the expectation of the RAE is that teachers will teach the official version which, in the RAE's view, should make things simpler for students of Spanish |
Re: Are you affected by the heat?
Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 9571101)
I'm with you, it'll always be i griega and uve doble to me!
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Re: Are you affected by the heat?
Originally Posted by fionamw
(Post 9571110)
I'll be checking with 9yo very shortly to see if they'd been told there's a change! (and no, Lynn I didn't think the Y had been erased, merely that when spouting my NIE number I need to say i griega .... or not, now, apparently:lol:)
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Re: Are you affected by the heat?
Originally Posted by lynnxa
(Post 9571012)
technically it is a tilde - but I find that confuses students when explaining the sÃlaba tónica, so I tend to go along with the idea that it isn't really;)
after all, the ñ (enye) IS a separate letter, as you say jeez the heat must be affecting me................I don't often agree with you:eek: If that makes sense. |
Re: Are you affected by the heat?
Originally Posted by bil
(Post 9571134)
I don't know from technical. He is an educated Spaniard, Andaluz, if that has relevance. I queried it with him, and his explanation was that the emphasis/stress indicator is a tilde, but the wiggle on the top of the ñ isn't a tilde, because it doesn't have a separate existance. ie you can have ó, and you can have o on its own, where for example it is the same letter eg mamón and mamones, but the wiggle never comes off the ñ.
If that makes sense. Virgulilla o rasgo que se pone sobre algunas abreviaturas, el que lleva la ñ, y cualquier otro signo que sirva para distinguir una letra de otra o denotar su acentuación |
Re: Are you affected by the heat?
Originally Posted by lynnxa
(Post 9571153)
yes you (& he:D) are right about the tilde above the vowel being an indicator of the strong syllable - & as I said 'technically' the ñ squiggle IS one...............at least according to the RAE
not that it's important in this heat;) |
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