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OK you got me now! It's a well known fact that tits sell beer.

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The more serious underlying problem, I think, is that if people do take low paid jobs they are then entitled to (and it must be said, they really need them in order to get by) help from the state in the form of housing benefit, tax credits and so on. This is because wage levels for low paid unskilled work have been far outstripped by costs, particularly in rents, utilities, transport and food - basic necessities not the 52" TVs and smartphones everybody accuses those on benefits and in low paid jobs of spending their money on.

Therefore, the UK's total benefits bill will contine to rise year on year (also because the number of people in receipt of the state pension will continue to increase as a percentage of the population), and employers paying low wages and private landlords charging high rents will continued to be subsidised by the taxpayer.

If I were to go back to the UK when I start to draw my pensions (occupational ones, even before I have to wait another 6 years at least for the state one), I would be a taxpayer and I'd rather not be helping out Tesco, McDonalds or an army of buy to let landlords. So yes, it would affect my decision.

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:rofl:

Very true. :amen:

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The problem Lynn as I see it is that the public want as much as possible for as little as possible. Look a those huge pub chains that offer 2 meals for a tenner. Take the vat off the £10 you've now got £8.33. Out of that £8.33 you have to buy the food, pay (proportionally) for the utilities, rent, rates, rubbish collection etc. etc. It doesn't leave a lot to pay anything other than minimum wage. The consumer is partly to blame for keeping wages low by demanding ever cheaper prices.

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who says they are employed on the payroll ??
it isn't just "till trainining" that is required - what about cleanliness, hygiene, safety, conflict resolution, bar rules (not drinking themselves) no freebies etc etc.
why do people seem to think because they have bought a pint in a bar/pub they know all about what actually goes on on the other side.
:frown:

and the pub groups are used to people starting and not finishing the month, it isn't as simple and easy as opening a tinnie for your mate when he comes round your pad !!

one of my regular haunts took on a young woman, really nice to look at, but on her first night I told the manager she wouldn't last very long. He got quite irrate with me, assuming I was up to something with her.
I wasn't but the way she shuddered as the beer overflowed down the glass onto her hands, and she was continually wiping her hands.......
and lasted a week
:(

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I don't disagree with you. Whilst at the same time they are slating people for "not wanting to work".

Government policies like selling off publicly owned social housing with controlled rents, and now driving already inflated house prices even higher by the new "Help to Buy" scheme, selling off utility companies and transport (wasn't competition supposed to result in lower prices for the consumer?) have created most of the problems, though. The UK has just experienced 11 consecutive years of above inflation increases in rail fares, 5 of these years being when wages have either remained stagnant or increased by LESS than the rate of inflation.

I was watching a property show on TV the other night and a 2 bed ex-council flat somewhere near Twickenham was featured, the price was about £360,000 I think. There are probably many such which were bought cheaply from local authorities and now commanding high rents for private landlords, meanwhile people are outraged by the amount of housing benefit some people living in the South East, in particular, receive. Low paid workers will always be needed in and around the capital, where do people expect them to live? Perhaps they think they should spend 4 hours or more a day commuting for the privilege of drawing their minimum wage,

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Dom, I think you are being a tad pedantic. My point was that quite a bit of effort goes into hiring someone who may or may not last 5 minutes. It's a hassle and I certainly wouldn't want it with the regularity of Stevie's landlord.

Your point about everyone who buys a pint knows how to run a pub tickled me. The advice I get week in week out is truly astounding. The more they drink the more they know. That's the beauty of running your own pub, everyone else can do it and you're never short of good advice.:lol:

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London pubs and hotels have always had foreign workers, only the nationalities have changed over the years. Never seen a foreign worker where I live, even the Gardeners are English. plenty of young British people working in pubs, Waitrose etc. Go down to the coast, Worthing, Brighton etc there are many different nationalities working has always been so.

I am not keen on paying tax per se:rofl: makes no difference what they spend it on once it's gone. We certainly pay less tax in the UK than Spain.

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not pedantic Stu, just as I see it, no employer can be sure that at the lower end of the wage pile the individual will come back.

Our mail room was manned from 0800 - 1800, but with only 2 people on split shifts so we got in temp cover for holidays. We actually gave them 3 days training before the holiday started. One guy actually did well on the training, but on the monday was late in. Oh well it can happen.
tuesday because the security guard came in early he sloped off 30mins early, not understanding the guard wasn't insured to work until 1800.
wednesday just didnt turn up, left his expensive leather jacket on a chair.
no one could get hold of him, and the agency felt they had met their commitment by providing someone who hadn't turned up. This guy was found on a JC referral so they had to get involved.

On another occasion the temp asked IT to give him access to a computer which was off limits, which they did. He then spent all day on the computer, no work done, and was sending emails internally and externally advertising his web-design business.

Don't get me wrong, we had some really excellent temps, they worked hard and I was sorry I couldn't offer them a job only a glowing recommendation.

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I saw that couldn´t believe the price for the properties. Ridiculous. Mind you I didn´t like the stupid woman on it ponzing around insisting it had to be big enough to dance in!

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Just to say that this thread managed to take me from genuine interest in what was said to anger and complete disbelief in a matter of a few minutes.
It's appalling, I think, to see the preconceptions expressed here by so many. While you're saying that the Spanish are against Johnny Foreigner, it's quite unbelievable what you are saying about the Eastern Europeans. The pot calling the kettle black?
Let me tell you something: Romanians <> Romas/Gipsies! It follows that not everybody coming from Romania is a beggar, a dodgy car dealer, a good-for-nothing-subsidised-by-the-honest-tax-payer.
We are all living Blair's vision of "multiculturalism" and Brussels' open borders policy and it's too late to put back the clock, but let's not tarnish a whole nation on the bases of our limited experience with a few individuals. May I just give you a few names of Romanians? Angela Gheorghiu, Nadia Comaneci, Alina Cojocaru - google them up. They are the "celebrities", but there are millions who just lead a normal life in the UK, Spain or elsewhere, raise a family, pay their taxes and try hard not to be affected by the horrible attitudes they sometimes come across.
That's all :)

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Thank you Minouette. That is exactly the point I was trying to make, that Romanian is not synonymous with Roma and the idea of saying that hundreds of thousands of Romanians don't live in Spain because someone "hasn't seen them apart from a handful of beggars" is ludicrous.

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Me neither and I could have well done without the couple slobbering all over each other throughout!:rofl:

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Those of us on GP's have no choice but I do resent subsidising Tesco, McDonalds and particularly BTLL's who are making renting so expensive that there are thousands of people who cannot afford a place of their own despite the government subsidy paid to landlords and lack of true social housing.

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Exactly.
Though I would add the three card thieves and various other con artists to the beggars.
It's hardest of all for the decent folk of Romania and other E.Eu countries to a lesser extent, that the reputation of these people precedes them.