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me me Aug 24th 2013 5:56 am

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by Lynn R (Post 10867326)
Yes exactly, the closest you can get to guess someone's nationality even if you hear them speak is Eastern European, but I couldn't tell unless someone told me whether they were Polish, Czech, Bulgarian, Romanian, Slovakian, etc. Therefore we could both have seen thousands of Romanians in Spain, doing all kinds of jobs, and never have known it.

Speaking of the beggars' mode of dress, we once saw a bunch of women with children getting off a bus in our town. They were dressed quite unremarkably in jeans, T-shirts and blouses. Then they opened their bags, pulled out their long skirts and headscarves and off they went for a day's work! We don't see the Roma beggars around here any more, they must have moved elsewhere in search of richer pickings.

I don´t care where they are from, it is so annoying to see them sitting with their hand out.

I don´t see why they can´t sell little packets of tissues, if they do I usually buy one from them, I don´t mind that.

Although it is sort of begging it gives them a bit of pride because it is a trade and not a limosna.

That way they are sellers and the "givers" are buyers, and everyone involved feels better.

HBG Aug 24th 2013 8:05 am

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The half a million Romanians living in Spain always surprises me, where are they?

There aren't many in my area, apart from a large car dealership I presumed to be Spanish. I found out they were Romanian, hard-faced, shifty-eyed people, but no different to car dealers all over the world.

They're out and out crooks, not because they're Romanian, but because they're car dealers. They clock all their cars and specialise in insurance write offs, cut and shut jobs as we used to call them in the UK.

I don't want to sound racist, but I can't tell them apart, Serbo Croats, Albanians, Russians, Lithuanians, they all look the same to me. Maybe I should pay a visit to Specsavers.

IamStu Aug 24th 2013 8:18 am

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by HBG (Post 10867453)
The half a million Romanians living in Spain always surprises me, where are they?

There aren't many in my area, apart from a large car dealership I presumed to be Spanish. I found out they were Romanian, hard-faced, shifty-eyed people, but no different to car dealers all over the world.

They're out and out crooks, not because they're Romanian, but because they're car dealers. They clock all their cars and specialise in insurance write offs, cut and shut jobs as we used to call them in the UK.

I don't want to sound racist, but I can't tell them apart, Serbo Croats, Albanians, Russians, Lithuanians, they all look the same to me. Maybe I should pay a visit to Specsavers.

HBG, do you know this for a fact? Or are you just being a racist as you sound?

HBG Aug 24th 2013 8:51 am

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by IamStu (Post 10867461)
HBG, do you know this for a fact? Or are you just being a racist as you sound?

You're a strange guy with some strange ideas and a weird way of living in Spain. In answer to your question, Yes is probably the most appropriate reply.

Well, it's late, I notice you live in Mijas Costa, Fuengirola. I lived there many years ago and thought it was a shithole, hopefully it's a lot better now.

IamStu Aug 24th 2013 8:59 am

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by HBG (Post 10867487)
You're a strange guy with some strange ideas and a weird way of living in Spain. In answer to your question, Yes is probably the most appropriate reply.

Well, it's late, I notice you live in Mijas Costa, Fuengirola. I lived there many years ago and thought it was a shithole, hopefully it's a lot better now.

I genuinely wanted to know as I'll soon be in the market for a car.
Thank you kindly for being so nice about it and for your compliments. I was unaware until now how weird my living is? :blink:

jennieJ Aug 24th 2013 10:23 am

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Find it hard to believe folk kind tell the difference between Polish and Romanian (personally wouldnt buy a car off of either) when they hear it spoken, I can't speak either but they sound so different. It's like French and Italian etc you don't have to speak the languages to be able to identify the difference, you just know. Maybe I would have been one of those in Biblical days that could have spoken in tongues or at least understood them.

Lorna at Vicenza Aug 24th 2013 10:31 am

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by jennieJ (Post 10867538)
Find it hard to believe folk kind tell the difference between Polish and Romanian (personally wouldnt buy a car off of either) when they hear it spoken, I can't speak either but they sound so different. It's like French and Italian etc you don't have to speak the languages to be able to identify the difference, you just know. Maybe I would have been one of those in Biblical days that could have spoken in tongues or at least understood them.

Most folk in England - apart from a bit of school French or German - can't tell the difference between any language.

stuboy Aug 24th 2013 3:11 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by jennieJ (Post 10867538)
Find it hard to believe folk kind tell the difference between Polish and Romanian (personally wouldnt buy a car off of either) when they hear it spoken, I can't speak either but they sound so different. It's like French and Italian etc you don't have to speak the languages to be able to identify the difference, you just know. Maybe I would have been one of those in Biblical days that could have spoken in tongues or at least understood them.

I for one probably couldn't tell the difference between Polish and Romanian.

I live not far from Bognor Regis and the town has changed dramatically over the years. It has at least two 'eastern European food stores' an eastern European pub owned by same and catering for same. It has at least one second hand/pre owned shop aimed at eastern Europeans. There is a Polish butchers. There is an Eastern European money exchange bureau.

The local police seem to have moved on the shite element that were here a few years ago, I am talking about the ones that used to hang around parks and car parks drunk as a Lord. The Tesco express is staffed (it appears) by mainly Eastern Europeans.

From what I see there are now so many 2nd generation kids coming through that it's all becoming a blur. And NO they are not on the dole, they are working in fields/factories all around the area. The queues outside the employment agencies in the morning of migrant workers waiting for mini-buses to take them wherever is reminiscent of years ago. I interview loads of kids who names I couldn't begin to pronounce.

We need these people and they seem to need us. Once their own countries get their act in order and they return, which many will, it may will leave the UK with a massive shortfall.

There aren't many British kids that will get up at 5 in the morning and rush off to pick cabbages or whatever for 8 hours a day for minimum wage or less.

ononno Aug 24th 2013 6:20 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by stuboy (Post 10867780)
I for one probably couldn't tell the difference between Polish and Romanian.

I live not far from Bognor Regis and the town has changed dramatically over the years. It has at least two 'eastern European food stores' an eastern European pub owned by same and catering for same. It has at least one second hand/pre owned shop aimed at eastern Europeans. There is a Polish butchers. There is an Eastern European money exchange bureau.

The local police seem to have moved on the shite element that were here a few years ago, I am talking about the ones that used to hang around parks and car parks drunk as a Lord. The Tesco express is staffed (it appears) by mainly Eastern Europeans.

From what I see there are now so many 2nd generation kids coming through that it's all becoming a blur. And NO they are not on the dole, they are working in fields/factories all around the area. The queues outside the employment agencies in the morning of migrant workers waiting for mini-buses to take them wherever is reminiscent of years ago. I interview loads of kids who names I couldn't begin to pronounce.

We need these people and they seem to need us. Once their own countries get their act in order and they return, which many will, it may will leave the UK with a massive shortfall.

There aren't many British kids that will get up at 5 in the morning and rush off to pick cabbages or whatever for 8 hours a day for minimum wage or less.

:)Do you realise how much you could be mistaken for a Spaniard complaining about the Brits on the Spanish Costas ?

HBG Aug 24th 2013 6:54 pm

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The nearest city to where I live has a Russian quarter, right next to the Gypsy quarter. It's easy to tell them apart, the Russian quarter doesn't have the same amount of graffiti, and they get up early to go to work.

It's a bit more difficult to tell them apart at midnight, neither area is safe and there are fighting drunks everywhere.

In contrast, the British quarters are havens of peace and tranquillity. By midnight all the lights are out, the music has stopped playing and 30,000 pensioners are safely tucked up in bed.

agoreira Aug 24th 2013 8:10 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by stuboy (Post 10867780)

There aren't many British kids that will get up at 5 in the morning and rush off to pick cabbages or whatever for 8 hours a day for minimum wage or less.

You almost make it sound as if it's something we all should aspire to, getting up at 5am and picking veg. I'm glad to say my two British kids have settled for something a bit less, a well paid professional job that doesn't involve getting up at 5am. How did the veg ever get from the fields to the shop in the past without all this immigrant labour. I live in an area of UK that is almost devoid of immigrants, I don't ever see signs of any, yet ours is very much an agriculture area and the spuds get picked, the fruit gets picked, the cabbages etc get picked, we seem to manage fine without them. True, most of the spuds are harvested mechanically, but several farms are still hand picked.

steviedeluxe Aug 24th 2013 9:01 pm

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I don't want to sound racist, but I can't tell them apart, Serbo Croats, Albanians, Russians, Lithuanians, they all look the same to me. Maybe I should pay a visit to Specsavers.
In a Marylebone pub I frequent, there have been any number of different nationalities working behind the bar over the last 6 months. Irish, Italian, Argentinian, Polish, Australian, Lebanese, Latvian and even a couple of Brits! They've all been pleasant enough, and apparently hard-working and diligent. But few of them ever seem to last more than 3 or 4 weeks before they find (presumably) a better opportunity elsewhere. The one employee who has shown staying power has been a Glaswegian.
When you hear of employment agencies recruiting directly in Poland for low-paid menial jobs in the UK, surely the situation has gone too far?

jackytoo Aug 24th 2013 9:04 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 
Over generous benefits prevents low paid jobs being filled.

steviedeluxe Aug 24th 2013 9:21 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by jackytoo (Post 10868067)
Over generous benefits prevents low paid jobs being filled.

I'd like to see proof of jobs in a British city being advertised, and no-one applying...
The little evidence I've seen is that plenty of local people apply for jobs when they are advertised. It may be the case that jobs in isolated country areas are difficult to fill, but I take all these stories of Brits not wanting work, with a huge dose of salt.

"More than 1,700 people apply for 8 barista jobs in Nottingham"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...p-8501329.html

Domino Aug 24th 2013 9:56 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 10868109)
I'd like to see proof of jobs in a British city being advertised, and no-one applying...
The little evidence I've seen is that plenty of local people apply for jobs when they are advertised. It may be the case that jobs in isolated country areas are difficult to fill, but I take all these stories of Brits not wanting work, with a huge dose of salt.

"More than 1,700 people apply for 8 barista jobs in Nottingham"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...p-8501329.html

Stevie, try this one
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...st_read_module

100 applied for a job at my firm - but not one decided to take it: Businesswoman blasts 'time-wasting' job centre staff for helping unemployed 'tick boxes' to keep benefits


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