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steviedeluxe Aug 24th 2013 10:04 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10868179)

In that case the mistake perhaps was to advertise in the Swansea job centre - there is a comment below to that effect. And she only interviewed 7, so quite how she can judge the 100 in total?


After sifting through the candidates – some of whom came from as far as Glasgow and Peterborough – Mrs Rasbridge realised few had any intention of working.

jackytoo Aug 24th 2013 10:06 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 10868109)
I'd like to see proof of jobs in a British city being advertised, and no-one applying...
The little evidence I've seen is that plenty of local people apply for jobs when they are advertised. It may be the case that jobs in isolated country areas are difficult to fill, but I take all these stories of Brits not wanting work, with a huge dose of salt.

"More than 1,700 people apply for 8 barista jobs in Nottingham"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...p-8501329.html

Funny you should say that. There was an item in the news a few days ago which said that employers get loads of applicants for jobs but no one actually wants to take them. The reason being that they have to apply to show the jobcentre they are actually looking. One woman said she had around 100 applicants but no one took the job when offered.

jackytoo Aug 24th 2013 10:08 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 
Notice we are off on the UK again...would any of this prevent you from going :confused:back anyway

Domino Aug 24th 2013 10:10 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 10868192)
In that case the mistake perhaps was to advertise in the Swansea job centre - there is a comment below to that effect. And she only interviewed 7, so quite how she can judge the 100 in total?

Stevie, then you haven't seen the state of cv's :eek:
it really is soul destroying having to put applications on a rapidly growing Reject pile when you have nothing in the Interview pile. Many can't even spell their own name correctly, full of crossings out, no relevent experience, no relevent desire for the job, just got to fill in two applications in a fortnight to get the dole.

As to Swansea, they surely are no different than any others :confused:
they obey the national rules, and remember they have to process one person around every 2.5mins from start to finish. If it runs over you get less coffee break.

I admit its now 2 years since I did any employing but.....it will not have changed for the better.
:thumbdown:

steviedeluxe Aug 24th 2013 10:12 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by jackytoo (Post 10868200)
Notice we are off on the UK again...would any of this prevent you from going :confused:back anyway

Well of course we are talking about the UK - that's the point of the thread, surely? :confused:

In this case I'm actually defending British youth/workers. They are not generally as workshy as people like the Mail like to portray. But I agree there is a problem with high rents and housing benefit, making it unviable to work for some.

Domino Aug 24th 2013 10:15 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by jackytoo (Post 10868200)
Notice we are off on the UK again...would any of this prevent you from going :confused:back anyway

Jacky - READ THE TITLE ABOVE

:banghead:

and considering you actually live on the island north of France surprised you can't make a more cogent response

but - no it wouldn't prevent me from going back, I'm a pensioner so unemployment doesn't worry me, all that worries me is that all those nice Eastern Europeans and the Indians and Pakistani's keep paying their taxes so I can carry on getting my pension.
:thumbsup:

steviedeluxe Aug 24th 2013 10:16 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10868201)
Stevie, then you haven't seen the state of cv's :eek:
it really is soul destroying having to put applications on a rapidly growing Reject pile when you have nothing in the Interview pile. Many can't even spell their own name correctly, full of crossings out, no relevent experience, no relevent desire for the job, just got to fill in two applications in a fortnight to get the dole.

As to Swansea, they surely are no different than any others :confused:
they obey the national rules, and remember they have to process one person around every 2.5mins from start to finish. If it runs over you get less coffee break.

I admit its now 2 years since I did any employing but.....it will not have changed for the better.
:thumbdown:

I still think the best way to get good workers is to ask around, enquire with the chargehand or foreman etc. You can call it networking, nepotism or enchufe if you like... But asking people you trust if they know someone they can recommend...

jackytoo Aug 24th 2013 10:29 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 10868205)
Well of course we are talking about the UK - that's the point of the thread, surely? :confused:

In this case I'm actually defending British youth/workers. They are not generally as workshy as people like the Mail like to portray. But I agree there is a problem with high rents and housing benefit, making it unviable to work for some.

Not neccessarily:confused: It could be going back to the lesser of two evils:lol: eg. I would go back to the UK because of....insert anything, illegal houses, bolshi anti-foreigner Spanish etc.

So you are saying that this:blink: thread is just another lets slag off the UK as usual thread then

steviedeluxe Aug 24th 2013 10:34 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by jackytoo (Post 10868233)
Not neccessarily:confused: It could be going back to the lesser of two evils:lol: eg. I would go back to the UK because of....insert anything, illegal houses, bolshi anti-foreigner Spanish etc.

So you are saying that this:blink: thread is just another lets slag off the UK as usual thread then

Nope.

You're putting words into my mouth.

I have no control on what people enter here! :rofl:
It does seem, quite understandably, that the need to be close to family is what would persuade many people to go back.
And since I disagree that Brits don't want to work, I also disagree with the premise that anyone would be put off by that - although some here may be put off by the changed jobs market I suppose...:unsure:

amideislas Aug 24th 2013 10:46 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 10868212)
I still think the best way to get good workers is to ask around, enquire with the chargehand or foreman etc. You can call it networking, nepotism or enchufe if you like... But asking people you trust if they know someone they can recommend...

Needed the cesspit emptied recently. The guy who usually does it is shut down for summer holiday, so I asked around and was recommended another guy. Little more expensive, but available.

So he shows up, takes a bit off the top (after only 5 minutes of pumping) then claims the lorry is full and says it will take 5 trips at €120 each to empty the cesspit.

My regular guy empties it all in one go for €110, so naturally I argue this and only receive "es no possible" as a response. Finally I give him his €120 and tell him to go, despite his warning that it will cost a lot more if I get someone else to do it.

But this is just the norm you can expect, not the exception. I'd argue it would be the other way round elsewhere.

stuboy Aug 24th 2013 11:02 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 10868205)
Well of course we are talking about the UK - that's the point of the thread, surely? :confused:

In this case I'm actually defending British youth/workers. They are not generally as workshy as people like the Mail like to portray. But I agree there is a problem with high rents and housing benefit, making it unviable to work for some.

I agree with a lot of this. The point I was trying to make was that some Brit Kids attend interviews and put so many obstacles in your way that you just can't employ them. Also British kids are fussier now than years back. They see veg/fruit picking for example as something you do for a laugh one summer. They won't do the shitty jobs.

stuboy Aug 24th 2013 11:03 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by ononno (Post 10867867)
:)Do you realise how much you could be mistaken for a Spaniard complaining about the Brits on the Spanish Costas ?

I wasn't complaining about them.

stuboy Aug 24th 2013 11:11 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 10868060)
In a Marylebone pub I frequent, there have been any number of different nationalities working behind the bar over the last 6 months. Irish, Italian, Argentinian, Polish, Australian, Lebanese, Latvian and even a couple of Brits! They've all been pleasant enough, and apparently hard-working and diligent. But few of them ever seem to last more than 3 or 4 weeks before they find (presumably) a better opportunity elsewhere. The one employee who has shown staying power has been a Glaswegian.
When you hear of employment agencies recruiting directly in Poland for low-paid menial jobs in the UK, surely the situation has gone too far?

Here's where I have a problem with your argument. You defend British/youth workers yet your local pub cannot staff itself without the help of the nationalities you mention. Do you honestly think the landlord of that pub wants to change staff every 3 or 4 weeks and have to go through the rigmarole of setting them up on the payroll, till training etc.

Why aren't local British/youth workers applying for these jobs.?

steviedeluxe Aug 24th 2013 11:19 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 

Originally Posted by stuboy (Post 10868297)
Here's where I have a problem with your argument. You defend British/youth workers yet your local pub cannot staff itself without the help of the nationalities you mention. Do you honestly think the landlord of that pub wants to change staff every 3 or 4 weeks and have to go through the rigmarole of setting them up on the payroll, till training etc.

Why aren't local British/youth workers applying for these jobs.?

Stu - the owner (who is actually a genial guy) goes out of his way to hire "Euro-tottie", and then complains the staff doesn't stay around. :confused: Actually he did hire an English guy part-time, and he hung around a lot longer than the foreign barmaids.
I can't speak totally for one pub, but I know older barmaids in a couple of other pubs close by - one has remained in the job for donkey's years, and the other would have done, but the pub closed down and re-opened as a trendy bar-bristo the following year. I really do not accept the argument that British workers are in any way unreliable. From what I see in the service industry it's more that employers give preference to attractive young migrant workers, in the idea that it makes their business look more enticing to customers.

steviedeluxe Aug 24th 2013 11:26 pm

Re: Would you go back to the UK ?
 
Thinking a little more about it, I know 4 pubs in the local area that have switched to offering backpacker accommodation, in order to survive. I can understand to an extent why they prefer to hire bar/recption staff who are foreign backpackers themselves, as perhaps they can relate better to the customers... perhaps?


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