NataHH

Well fun and games will start when ETIAS becomes operational.
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/etias/

Pollyana

An interesting read, thanks everyone.
To answer a comment from Eurotrash, its not about being wound up cos of someone being there illegally, more about wanting justice (and karma) to prevail in a certain situation!

astera

Traditionally countries never cared about those exiting their borders (though Australia sure as heck did!) and often didn't even have passport control. Fast-rewind to the good ol' USA pre 9/11 and there was absolutely no passport/immigration control for those leaving. You simply checked-in, went through security, then boarded your plane.

About the "frogmarching" bit I believe it would all depend on how long it would take to process you, enter a ban into the system, etc., before letting you depart. The plane certainly won't wait. And if it's the last or only one that day maybe they do hold on to you overnight.

I do wonder what would happen if say your original flight was to Bournemouth, you ended up missing that due to processing, and the only other flight that day was to Scotland. Could they force you on to that one?

Any ban would naturally apply to the whole common border area which in this case would be the Schengen Area. Though since he's Canadian then at the time the UK might automatically have been alerted to include him in their own system since the UK was never part of Schengen.

Likewise, if a UK national does something wrong in one country then that's all it takes for them to be banned from entering the entire EU Schengen Area. So almost an EU-wide ban though they would probably be able to travel to Ireland (though not onwards from there).

Red Eric

Qué?

agree_to_disagree

I know a girl from Latin America who had applied for asylum here but it was rejected. She had been here a few years already pending a decision.

But when her application was rejected, she was told she had 15 days to leave spain.

She now works cash in hand but tends to avoids areas where she is likely to come in contact with the police.

She has told me as she is illegal, if the police stop her and do a check it will come up immediately that she is now illegal.

She will be duly detained and deported.

It is a bit ironic that UK citizens who voted for Brexit, in order to keep the foreigners out, as they were clogging up health servies etc. and not paying their fair contributions, are now seeking ways to stay under the radar in Spain and, remain as illegals here and use the health services etc. if they can get away with it.

astera

That's the sad reality facing many hard-working people who might not even have a place to go back to.

I can't imagine living in fear of avoiding a simple traffic stop or even seeking any sort of medical attention in case it results in a cross-continent deportation

Whoa, "not paying their fair contribution"...? Hold up there for a moment! I think we're thinking on similar wavelengths but it turns out we've been sold a bunch of fibs or carefully-planned omissions of even the most basic of statistics that are even publicly available. Those who voted for Brexit wanted 100% legal residents to be kicked out. Brexit has nothing to do with illegals.

Turns out EEA migrants are the ones who are not only paying their fair contribution but are actually paying a HUGE SURPLUS into the UK budget. Taking them out of the equation is catastrophic because whereas native UK residents are pretty much balancing the budget (maybe a small deficit in what is being paid in and out), non-EU migrants are pulling the figures down. So guess what's going to happen when EU nationals are removed from this picture?

frigilianafreddy

Fly to Dublin (Shengen so no passport control) then pop across to NI and on to UK? Or doesnt that work?

Red Eric

Ireland isn't in the Schengen Area.

Nand

Isn't that a fancy dress for revenge?

Rosemary

No. If a person takes the attitude that they do not have to comply with rules and suffer negative consequences it is not called revenge it is called paying for your illegal actions. Taking responsibility for your actions means that you also take responsibility for outcomes.

Rosemary

Nand

Yes there are 'outcomes' and I do see consequences for bad behaviors very often, however, IMO, it is not up to Pollyannato to make Karma happen. Or am I missing something, is that not what she implies?

Fred James

No one makes Karma happen. It does it all on its own. I also think you will find that the majority of residents on this forum would like to see all the illegals rounded up and deported.

Nand

Yikes! Why?

VEDShappy

For a start, every one of them not paying tax is effectively helping themselves to the contents of my wallet.
I'd happily round them up myself.

agree_to_disagree

Looks like we have the makings of a lynch mob, on here...