Visa over-stayers, how does Spain react to them?
#1
Home and Happy
Thread Starter
Joined: Dec 2002
Location: Keep true friends and puppets close, trust no-one else...
Posts: 93,814
Visa over-stayers, how does Spain react to them?
I know since Brexit UK citizens have had to sort out residency etc in Spain in order to stay there legally, but my query, which I can't really find an answer to via Mr Google, concerns non-EU citizens.
If one is a non-EU citizen, and enters on the Schengen visa, thus getting 90 days in Spain, what happens at the end of the 90 days? I realise that one would become an over-stayer, but in reality, what happens? Do the Spanish authorities actually carry out any checks? Would they be likely to detect someone who has over-stayed their Schengen 90 days?
Or would one be able to work on the black, and avoid detection for months or even years?
Please no judgements on the morality of this, I am not supporting the idea of over-staying, I am genuinely curious as to whether it would be possible for someone to stay in a Spanish city indefinitely without detection, working cash in hand.
Cheers guys
If one is a non-EU citizen, and enters on the Schengen visa, thus getting 90 days in Spain, what happens at the end of the 90 days? I realise that one would become an over-stayer, but in reality, what happens? Do the Spanish authorities actually carry out any checks? Would they be likely to detect someone who has over-stayed their Schengen 90 days?
Or would one be able to work on the black, and avoid detection for months or even years?
Please no judgements on the morality of this, I am not supporting the idea of over-staying, I am genuinely curious as to whether it would be possible for someone to stay in a Spanish city indefinitely without detection, working cash in hand.
Cheers guys
#2
BE Forum Addict
Joined: Aug 2005
Location: Beckenham, London borough Bromley
Posts: 1,617
Re: Visa over-stayers, how does Spain react to them?
Hola,
Yes of course it is in theory possible. In practice, there is a "Stop & Search" type routine in most countries where the fact could be uncovered. Most probably you are more likely to be stopped in a car, but all countries have ways to stop illegal immigrants
Davexf
Yes of course it is in theory possible. In practice, there is a "Stop & Search" type routine in most countries where the fact could be uncovered. Most probably you are more likely to be stopped in a car, but all countries have ways to stop illegal immigrants
Davexf
#3
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: May 2010
Location: San Diego, California
Posts: 9,660
Re: Visa over-stayers, how does Spain react to them?
Sure it's possible. Plenty of UK people have not legalised their stay in Europe since Brexit.
Indefinitely is not a certainty though.....
Indefinitely is not a certainty though.....
#4
Home and Happy
Thread Starter
Joined: Dec 2002
Location: Keep true friends and puppets close, trust no-one else...
Posts: 93,814
Re: Visa over-stayers, how does Spain react to them?
Thanks! Sounds like in theory then someone could get away with it for quite some time, specially if they are a non driver. Bit of a shame in sioe cases where it would be nice to see justice done!
#5
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Jan 2012
Location: Dépt 61
Posts: 5,254
Re: Visa over-stayers, how does Spain react to them?
Normally they have no entitlement to healthcare, social security or financial support if they need it. In some countries it's difficult for them to find accommodation, open a bank account, buy a car etc. If they need to earn money they're likely to be exploited. They can't leave the country and come back. There's the insecurity of knowing that if they attract the attention of the authorities in any way, the game is up. All they are "getting away with", really, is being in a country they shouldn't be in. Presumably they feel that being in Spain even with no rights, is better than being in their home country. Which is sad.
#6
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Apr 2008
Location: Hérault (34)
Posts: 8,890
Re: Visa over-stayers, how does Spain react to them?
I know since Brexit UK citizens have had to sort out residency etc in Spain in order to stay there legally, but my query, which I can't really find an answer to via Mr Google, concerns non-EU citizens.
If one is a non-EU citizen, and enters on the Schengen visa, thus getting 90 days in Spain, what happens at the end of the 90 days? I realise that one would become an over-stayer, but in reality, what happens? Do the Spanish authorities actually carry out any checks? Would they be likely to detect someone who has over-stayed their Schengen 90 days?
Or would one be able to work on the black, and avoid detection for months or even years?
Please no judgements on the morality of this, I am not supporting the idea of over-staying, I am genuinely curious as to whether it would be possible for someone to stay in a Spanish city indefinitely without detection, working cash in hand.
Cheers guys
If one is a non-EU citizen, and enters on the Schengen visa, thus getting 90 days in Spain, what happens at the end of the 90 days? I realise that one would become an over-stayer, but in reality, what happens? Do the Spanish authorities actually carry out any checks? Would they be likely to detect someone who has over-stayed their Schengen 90 days?
Or would one be able to work on the black, and avoid detection for months or even years?
Please no judgements on the morality of this, I am not supporting the idea of over-staying, I am genuinely curious as to whether it would be possible for someone to stay in a Spanish city indefinitely without detection, working cash in hand.
Cheers guys
#7
Last resort... format c:/
Joined: Mar 2012
Location: Singapore to Surfers Paradise to... Tenerife... to Gran Canaria!
Posts: 1,626
Re: Visa over-stayers, how does Spain react to them?
You would also not be able to leave the Schengen area and come back again.
In fact I'm wondering what would happen if you DID decide to fly outside of Schengen and went through passport control at the airport (which only happens when you fly outside of Schengen). Is there a possibility that instead of proceeding to board your flight you would be taken into custody, made to stay several hours or overnight, fined, banned from re-entering the EU Schengen area for many years, and then virtually frogmarched onto a different flight as a deportee?
In fact I'm wondering what would happen if you DID decide to fly outside of Schengen and went through passport control at the airport (which only happens when you fly outside of Schengen). Is there a possibility that instead of proceeding to board your flight you would be taken into custody, made to stay several hours or overnight, fined, banned from re-entering the EU Schengen area for many years, and then virtually frogmarched onto a different flight as a deportee?
#8
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Jan 2012
Location: Dépt 61
Posts: 5,254
Re: Visa over-stayers, how does Spain react to them?
You would also not be able to leave the Schengen area and come back again.
In fact I'm wondering what would happen if you DID decide to fly outside of Schengen and went through passport control at the airport (which only happens when you fly outside of Schengen). Is there a possibility that instead of proceeding to board your flight you would be taken into custody, made to stay several hours or overnight, fined, banned from re-entering the EU Schengen area for many years, and then virtually frogmarched onto a different flight as a deportee?
In fact I'm wondering what would happen if you DID decide to fly outside of Schengen and went through passport control at the airport (which only happens when you fly outside of Schengen). Is there a possibility that instead of proceeding to board your flight you would be taken into custody, made to stay several hours or overnight, fined, banned from re-entering the EU Schengen area for many years, and then virtually frogmarched onto a different flight as a deportee?
I guess it would depend on whether you'd overstayed by a few days or by a long time and what the circumstances were, but certainly you could expect to be fined and banned from entering Schengen again for a period (though I doubt it would be many years unless you had seriously overstayed). Not sure about the frogmarching bit - if you are already leaving of your own accord and have paid for your travel, there is no need for a formal deportation process is there.
Of course there is border control at the international ports as well, not only at airports.
I think you would have to be a bit stupid to attempt it without weighing up the potential consequences of making the trip, and not making it.
#9
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 871
Re: Visa over-stayers, how does Spain react to them?
If you are British, not resident in an EU state and you overstay in the Schengen area you will be caught when you leave.
These are the rules:
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/new...ace-penalties/
Some UK nationals will go underground and never leave the Schengen area but they run the risk of being caught and deported.
Welcome to Brexit.
These are the rules:
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/new...ace-penalties/
Some UK nationals will go underground and never leave the Schengen area but they run the risk of being caught and deported.
Welcome to Brexit.
#10
Forum Regular
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 264
Re: Visa over-stayers, how does Spain react to them?
Málaga and Alicante airports have gates in which you pass through. If your travel entitlements have expired, it's likely you will be buttonholed and deported at your own expense. It's likely other big airports have the same gates. You are taking a chance if your paperwork is not in order and you always will be looking over your shoulder.
#11
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 5,622
Re: Visa over-stayers, how does Spain react to them?
If you try to go through passport control and your papers are not in order it's vanishing unlikely that you will be allowed to go on your way as if nothing was. That is what border control is for, to check that everyone's papers are in order before they are allowed to cross the border.
I guess it would depend on whether you'd overstayed by a few days or by a long time and what the circumstances were, but certainly you could expect to be fined and banned from entering Schengen again for a period (though I doubt it would be many years unless you had seriously overstayed). Not sure about the frogmarching bit - if you are already leaving of your own accord and have paid for your travel, there is no need for a formal deportation process is there.
Of course there is border control at the international ports as well, not only at airports.
I think you would have to be a bit stupid to attempt it without weighing up the potential consequences of making the trip, and not making it.
I guess it would depend on whether you'd overstayed by a few days or by a long time and what the circumstances were, but certainly you could expect to be fined and banned from entering Schengen again for a period (though I doubt it would be many years unless you had seriously overstayed). Not sure about the frogmarching bit - if you are already leaving of your own accord and have paid for your travel, there is no need for a formal deportation process is there.
Of course there is border control at the international ports as well, not only at airports.
I think you would have to be a bit stupid to attempt it without weighing up the potential consequences of making the trip, and not making it.
#12
BE Forum Addict
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,013
Re: Visa over-stayers, how does Spain react to them?
If you try to go through passport control and your papers are not in order it's vanishing unlikely that you will be allowed to go on your way as if nothing was. That is what border control is for, to check that everyone's papers are in order before they are allowed to cross the border.
I guess it would depend on whether you'd overstayed by a few days or by a long time and what the circumstances were, but certainly you could expect to be fined and banned from entering Schengen again for a period (though I doubt it would be many years unless you had seriously overstayed). Not sure about the frogmarching bit - if you are already leaving of your own accord and have paid for your travel, there is no need for a formal deportation process is there.
Of course there is border control at the international ports as well, not only at airports.
I think you would have to be a bit stupid to attempt it without weighing up the potential consequences of making the trip, and not making it.
I guess it would depend on whether you'd overstayed by a few days or by a long time and what the circumstances were, but certainly you could expect to be fined and banned from entering Schengen again for a period (though I doubt it would be many years unless you had seriously overstayed). Not sure about the frogmarching bit - if you are already leaving of your own accord and have paid for your travel, there is no need for a formal deportation process is there.
Of course there is border control at the international ports as well, not only at airports.
I think you would have to be a bit stupid to attempt it without weighing up the potential consequences of making the trip, and not making it.
In 2017 we went on a job to France and my workmate (who was a contractor) said he was going on holiday and I was just giving him a ride (he came from Canada to the Uk and we drove through the Chunnal).
After sorting the job in France I returned to the Uk and he travelled around the EU ending up in Spain. He stayed here for around 4 months and then decided to travel back to Canada as we were planned to do an installation there a couple of months later.
At Madrid airport he was taken aside and asked why he had overstayed his 90 day visa. He basically said that he was having a great time and the weather was better than at home (-30 compared with +20).
All they did was scan his passport, stamp it on the out date with a nice red stamp and escorted him on the plane back home to Canada.
Fast forward to 2019 and he was going to visit us while we were here for a holiday (hadn't moved over then)
When applying for his travel visa online, it was refused and told him to contact the Spanish Embassy in Toronto. He did and was told that he had a 3 year ban from the whole of the EU.
He still keeps in touch and once the ban is up he will be visiting us.
So no fine just a ban.
I would imagine that the Spanish authorities would look at each case individually and make a decision.
Can you imagine someone who has lived here for years under the radar (and I know of at least one couple who still have not bothered because they could not meet the requirements we had to last year) and has no address in the Uk being banned from re-entry to Spain for 3 years????
Now whether the UK would stop them from travelling and then they were turned around in Spain is another matter. You don't need a visa to leave a country, just to enter.
Ive had shed loads of work visa's over the years and NONE have been checked on the way out of the UK. Ive watched as they look at my passport. (not even when travelling about 2 months after 9/11 to the USA with a current Saudi work visa taking up 2 pages of my passport) was asked loads of questions at the other end but hey ho...
#13
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Jan 2012
Location: Dépt 61
Posts: 5,254
Re: Visa over-stayers, how does Spain react to them?
Well the fact of having no entry stamp, would be grounds for assuming, unless they can prove to the contrary, that their most recent entry into the country predated 1.1.21. Because if they'd entered on or after 1.1.21, they should have an entry stamp. On that assumption, as of the end of October they could potentially be treated as having overstayed by at least 7 months.
#14
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Jan 2012
Location: Dépt 61
Posts: 5,254
Re: Visa over-stayers, how does Spain react to them?
It would be entering Spain that would be the issue, if there is an issue at all.
#15
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 5,622
Re: Visa over-stayers, how does Spain react to them?
Well the fact of having no entry stamp, would be grounds for assuming, unless they can prove to the contrary, that their most recent entry into the country predated 1.1.21. Because if they'd entered on or after 1.1.21, they should have an entry stamp. On that assumption, as of the end of October they could potentially be treated as having overstayed by at least 7 months.