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Dick Dasterdly Jul 5th 2013 7:58 pm

Re: Train development news
 

Originally Posted by agoreira (Post 10786830)
Did I see something in UK about a gathering of real trains, some famous steam engines. Just looked it up, the anoraks will be out in force, maybe the MOP will be there, I've never known anyone show more interest in trains.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23158002

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ersary-126mph-

I once saw this impressive magnificent beast when it was still in service in my very early days and it wasn't till later that I learned about it's achievements.

Don't think I was wearing an anorak at the time, more likely a home knitted woolie Balaclava.

Wonder if that makes me a Closet Trainspotter ? :unsure:

johnnyone Jul 5th 2013 9:33 pm

Re: Train development news
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 10786854)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ersary-126mph-


Wonder if that makes me a Closet Trainspotter ? :unsure:

I did collect train numbers (Ian Allan?). Used to jot them down then underline in the book.
I saw Mallard from the viewing point, that I think was in Finsbury Park.

Despite my posts about the AVE I actually love railways.

Domino Jul 6th 2013 1:23 am

Re: Train development news
 

Originally Posted by agoreira (Post 10786830)
Did I see something in UK about a gathering of real trains, some famous steam engines. Just looked it up, the anoraks will be out in force, maybe the MOP will be there, I've never known anyone show more interest in trains.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23158002

did RM York about 5-6 years ago and its truely magnificent
the state the US and Canadian A4's came in they really need to have them taken away from them. The work carried out at York to bring them up to what they should be has been maginificent..

but seem to remember DD making a very pointed comment that this thread is for Spain and not for UK
sad really

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Domino Jul 6th 2013 1:29 am

Re: Train development news
 

Originally Posted by johnnyone (Post 10786936)
I did collect train numbers (Ian Allan?). Used to jot them down then underline in the book.
I saw Mallard from the viewing point, that I think was in Finsbury Park.

Despite my posts about the AVE I actually love railways.

it could have been Finsbury Park as she operated from Kings Cross and was shedded nearby and was used on the KX to York route regularly.
I still have my Ian Allen's, having been initiated by a whole day at the Radyr sheds just outside Cardiff and lived an easy cycle ride to go to the 20th mile bridge north of KX (there was a metal stencil sign nearby saying "London 20 miles".)
Saw the initial trials of the Deltic Diesel on the East Coast Main Line and also a most ignominious failure a mile north of our spotting point where the beasty had to be towed by a stinky old steam train back to KX
:thumbup:.

but I never ever got an anorak
:blink:

Dick Dasterdly Jul 6th 2013 3:28 am

Re: Train development news
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10787088)

but seem to remember DD making a very pointed comment that this thread is for Spain and not for UK
sad really

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Ah, but the UK being the birthplace of all modern railways, I would respectfully suggest that discussion of the history is relevant.

Let's face it without that, the Spanish would probably still be riding into town on Donkeys. ;)

By the way, no offence Lampy and all that, just my little joke. :cool:

Domino Jul 8th 2013 10:32 am

Re: Train development news
 
well considering all that the UK did for the progress of the railways

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...gles-cope.html
as trains are restricted to 20mph as its too hot for them

meanwhile in Spain the AVE keeps on running
:thumbup:

Dick Dasterdly Jul 8th 2013 11:03 am

Re: Train development news
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10790532)
well considering all that the UK did for the progress of the railways

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...gles-cope.html
as trains are restricted to 20mph as its too hot for them

meanwhile in Spain the AVE keeps on running
:thumbup:

That's the ones that haven't already been taken out of service and the lines abandoned.

Have to wonder what will be left of the rest when and if they ever have the same amount of usage as in the UK ???

Problems like expanding rails, leaves on the line and the wrong kind snow are far from unique to the UK, plus many other weird explanations, if you followed the media through quite a few other EU countries where we all wrongly assume that everything is always ticketyboo.
I've often come across the silliest of problems in countries where I'd least previously expected them.

Anyway as I said before why not start a thread specifically dealing with all your many worries about the UK, rather than starting another pissing contest which was my objection before, rather than the lighthearted harmless banter which followed ?

jackytoo Jul 8th 2013 9:56 pm

Re: Train development news
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10790532)
well considering all that the UK did for the progress of the railways

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...gles-cope.html
as trains are restricted to 20mph as its too hot for them

meanwhile in Spain the AVE keeps on running
:thumbup:

ALL trains...I don't think so...not in my back yard:D

jackytoo Jul 8th 2013 10:06 pm

Re: Train development news
 
BTW Renfe are getting rid of 500 workers

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/0...373279129.html

me me Jul 8th 2013 10:45 pm

Re: Train development news
 

Originally Posted by jackytoo (Post 10791040)
BTW Renfe are getting rid of 500 workers

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/0...373279129.html

Train development BAD news. :thumbdown:

Domino Jul 8th 2013 11:25 pm

Re: Train development news
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 10790563)
That's the ones that haven't already been taken out of service and the lines abandoned.

Have to wonder what will be left of the rest when and if they ever have the same amount of usage as in the UK ???

Problems like expanding rails, leaves on the line and the wrong kind snow are far from unique to the UK, plus many other weird explanations, if you followed the media through quite a few other EU countries where we all wrongly assume that everything is always ticketyboo.
I've often come across the silliest of problems in countries where I'd least previously expected them.

Anyway as I said before why not start a thread specifically dealing with all your many worries about the UK, rather than starting another pissing contest which was my objection before, rather than the lighthearted harmless banter which followed ?

Dick, it isn't me thats turning this into a pissing contest, I take this insistance to continually castigate me whilst ignoring posts of a same/similar nature by others as a personal attack.
especially your own comments regarding the UK

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 10786854)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ersary-126mph-

I once saw this impressive magnificent beast when it was still in service in my very early days and it wasn't till later that I learned about it's achievements.

Don't think I was wearing an anorak at the time, more likely a home knitted woolie Balaclava.

Wonder if that makes me a Closet Trainspotter ? :unsure:

or many other countries that are patently not Spain


Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 10786556)
Ah well, just to lift the depressing mood surrounding the Great Spanish train catastrophe, try this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFJ3KayeUTc

Great shots in there of some real trains for all the devoted trainspotters amongst you.


chopera Jul 8th 2013 11:34 pm

Re: Train development news
 

Originally Posted by notacontrathinker (Post 10781500)
How does the AVE compare with driving time Madrid to Valencia or Alicante ? Stevie, anyone ?

Genuine question, I'm not being argumentative.

:)

Depends on traffic of course but you can get from Madrid to Valencia in 3 hours on less than half a tank of petrol. I think Alicante takes a bit more time, maybe 4 hours. The AVE does it in half that time, but at more than double the cost. To be honest I'm quite keen on giving the AVE a go, but with 2 young children and all the associated baggage, the car is just too convenient for us.

Dick Dasterdly Jul 9th 2013 12:52 am

Re: Train development news
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10791126)
Dick, it isn't me thats turning this into a pissing contest, I take this insistance to continually castigate me whilst ignoring posts of a same/similar nature by others as a personal attack.
especially your own comments regarding the UK or many other countries that are patently not Spain

"Anyway as I said before why not start a thread specifically dealing with all your many worries about the UK,"

Just as I have today and in many other instances.

" rather than starting another pissing contest which was my objection before,"

or

" rather than the lighthearted harmless banter which followed ?"

I'm truly amazed if you can't see the difference.

No I'm not having a go at you in particular because in fairness it's only recently I've noticed you do it.

Maybe you've been following our resident train spotter too much and got into his invariably bad habit when nailed down of making detrimental remarks about the UK, obviously as a desperate last ditch attempt to avoid or sidestep the issue being discussed, there again he's not the only one.

I find it somewhat childish and if I've occasionally been dragged into it myself, then I unreservedly apologize.
It's almost like kids in the playground, "my dads bigger than your dad" "no he isn't my dads bigger than your dad".

Surely far better to discuss each more interesting or complex case, wether in the UK, Spain or elsewhere on it's own individual merits rather than the proverbial peeing comp, though as I said a little light hearted banter here and there should never offend anyone.
Hope that helps clear the air a little,... there again maybe not. :)

Domino Jul 9th 2013 1:36 am

Re: Train development news
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 10791236)
"Anyway as I said before why not start a thread specifically dealing with all your many worries about the UK,"

Just as I have today and in many other instances.

" rather than starting another pissing contest which was my objection before,"

or

" rather than the lighthearted harmless banter which followed ?"

I'm truly amazed if you can't see the difference.

No I'm not having a go at you in particular because in fairness it's only recently I've noticed you do it.

Maybe you've been following our resident train spotter too much and got into his invariably bad habit when nailed down of making detrimental remarks about the UK, obviously as a desperate last ditch attempt to avoid or sidestep the issue being discussed, there again he's not the only one.

I find it somewhat childish and if I've occasionally been dragged into it myself, then I unreservedly apologize.
It's almost like kids in the playground, "my dads bigger than your dad" "no he isn't my dads bigger than your dad".

Surely far better to discuss each more interesting or complex case, wether in the UK, Spain or elsewhere on it's own individual merits rather than the proverbial peeing comp, though as I said a little light hearted banter here and there should never offend anyone.
Hope that helps clear the air a little,... there again maybe not. :)

well in my instance Dick, it would have to be My dad has been dead longer than your dad :( which I hope isn't the same in your life.
but WTH
its only a forum, time is too short, it can be easy to go off thread and you and I have shared a number of experiences over the years that have caused both of us to do that - to the exasperation of others who are thinking "Those 2 again - why don't they start their own thread" which I seem to remember I did about radios and things, one post and it died. :ohmy:

so the AVE is with us and we have no control over it, there are obviously many things some or all of that money could have been spent on, but it went on the iron road.
that the uk is looking at wasting a large amount on HS2 shouldn't worry us as we don't live there any more but our children, grandchildren etc etc do/will and it may impact on them in many ways. but it is hard for us as Brits not to include British experiences and knowledge when discussing things here in Spain.
After all we are British Expats (Spain) and know everything about anything.
:thumbup:

Dick Dasterdly Jul 9th 2013 3:25 am

Re: Train development news
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10791301)
well in my instance Dick, it would have to be My dad has been dead longer than your dad :( which I hope isn't the same in your life.
but WTH
its only a forum, time is too short, it can be easy to go off thread and you and I have shared a number of experiences over the years that have caused both of us to do that - to the exasperation of others who are thinking "Those 2 again - why don't they start their own thread" which I seem to remember I did about radios and things, one post and it died. :ohmy:

so the AVE is with us and we have no control over it, there are obviously many things some or all of that money could have been spent on, but it went on the iron road.
that the uk is looking at wasting a large amount on HS2 shouldn't worry us as we don't live there any more but our children, grandchildren etc etc do/will and it may impact on them in many ways. but it is hard for us as Brits not to include British experiences and knowledge when discussing things here in Spain.
After all we are British Expats (Spain) and know everything about anything.
:thumbup:

I'm still not quite sure that you quite grasp the point I was trying to make.

Anyway to move on, of course threads will continue to drift and generally as I've said before I don't think that's such a bad thing, it's just when it's done deliberately, solely as an attempt to avoid or sidestep the issue that I was mainly referring to.

I would be happy to have a discussion about the HS2 which I also have doubts about, but probably best put it where it belongs in Siesta time or P de T if you think the sparks are going to fly, as with any other UK related topic.
I've started plenty there myself, many much less than complimentary, and I would expect most expats to take some sort of interest even if they have no intention of ever moving back to the UK.


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