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Train development news
Over the next few months it looks likely there will be major developments in the train network (especially high speed train links). so I thought I'd start a thread here, so anyone travelling within (and without) Spain can know the new options.
First one is a link I've published before - it will mean next year we'll be able to travel on high speed train from London St Pancras, through France, and onto the Spanish system down to Malaga (via Madrid). Eventually the service is meant to go all the way to Algeciras. Whether or not anyone will be able to afford the fares is another matter of course - but the 2.9 million passengers expected on the Figueres-Barcelona link will mean that at least that section will be well-used. http://ave-renfe.edreams.es/ave-barc...ave-en-girona/ Este tramo del AVE que conectará Barcelona y la localidad gerundense de Figueres, una de las zonas más turÃsticas de Cataluña, se estima que será utilizado por un total de 2,9 millones de viajeros a lo largo del 2012. |
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There's a new rail link to Barajas Terminal 4 from Madrid, so should be very convenient for AVE travellers who are connecting with the airport.
http://www.adn.es/local/madrid/20110...EROPUERTO.html The long journey north to Galicia should be somewhat quicker next year, with the introduction of hybrid electricity/diesel trains, that can operate on both high speed track, and the existing Spanish gauge tracks. http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news...le_32033.shtml The journey from Madrid to La Corunna, which currently takes 7 hours 48 minutes, will take 6 hours 30 minutes from the 10th of December. The ultimate aim is to get this journey down to under 3 hours, when all new lines are in place - but that supposes that all the new high speed lines are built. Already the line to Lisbon from Madrid has been cancelled by the Portuguese authorities. |
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Meanwhile the málaga metro has been delayed until 2013. Think they have run out of money.
http://www.nerjatoday.com/nerjanews/...ed-until-2013/ The planned extention of the coastal railway from Fuengirola to Estepona which was due to start about 5 years ago has never got off the ground. |
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Originally Posted by jackytoo
(Post 9640681)
Meanwhile the málaga metro has been delayed until 2013. Think they have run out of money.
http://www.nerjatoday.com/nerjanews/...ed-until-2013/ The planned extention of the coastal railway from Fuengirola to Estepona which was due to start about 5 years ago has never got off the ground. |
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I have seen the route of the Gandia - Oliva extension, they have even got the site for the station earmarked, but I am not holding my breath.
Looks as though the road by-pass is going ahead. |
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I'd be amazed to see an AVE in Algeciras. The route from Ronda down the Guadiaro valley is tortuous to say the least.
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Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 9640776)
I'd be amazed to see an AVE in Algeciras. The route from Ronda down the Guadiaro valley is tortuous to say the least.
http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-ne...8/lets-ave-it/ In Ronda some locals tell me with confidence that AVE trains will never come to the town or pass beyond to Algeciras. And they are right. They will not come to the town, but instead will come to the small hamlet of La Indiana in the valley below, where a brand new train station will be built. It will be almost half way along a 72km double-track route between Algeciras and Antequera and in 2008 an environmental impact study was undertaken by two companies. Labelled Proyecto 776, the only map ever produced was a rough sketch displayed by the Ministerio de Fomento to announce it at a press conference two years ago. Going by this map it will go through Almargen, Alcala del Valle, Setenil and through El Llano de la Cruz, the valley where I live. It does make geographical sense and many AVE stations are built on the outskirts such as at Segovia, for obvious reasons. It is rumoured that the decided route will be made public in January, 2010, with the completion of the works by around 2016. AVE routes require wide radius corners and shallow gradients, as well as measures to reduce noise and other environmental impacts. The most severe gradients are about 3.5 per cent, so for the new route a tunnel would be required under a large part of my valley near Ronda. This is good news as tunnels have the advantage of reducing land purchase costs and minimising environmental impacts, provided they don´t hit aquifers, as they did near Valle de Abdalajis. My guess is that it will actually avoid my valley altogether and go into the next one, Ronda la Vieja, via a tunnel through the Sierra de Salinas. We shall have to wait and see. Anyone suggesting that the rail route south from Ronda through Cortes is too difficult to upgrade to medium-speed AVE standards should consider the present construction of the 350 kmh rail route between Barcelona and Perpignan through the Pyrenees. |
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Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 9640692)
Is Malaga the only city of its size in Spain without a metro system (it's the sixth largest city iirc) ? Places like Seville and Valencia now have their metro systems, and of course both Madrid and Barcelona have long had a metro (but extensively expanded in recent years)
a really clean, good service, just needs a few more trains on to reduce the times between trains and cost effective. |
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Originally Posted by Domino
(Post 9640819)
so long as they don't muck about with the journey from Bus\Rail Station at Maria Zambrano to the Airport I don't mind
a really clean, good service, just needs a few more trains on to reduce the times between trains and cost effective. |
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Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 9640776)
I'd be amazed to see an AVE in Algeciras. The route from Ronda down the Guadiaro valley is tortuous to say the least.
As I said in May Algeciras to Madrid return for two ~€113 which I think is value for money. |
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Originally Posted by johnnyone
(Post 9640704)
I have seen the route of the Gandia - Oliva extension, they have even got the site for the station earmarked, but I am not holding my breath.
Looks as though the road by-pass is going ahead. cheers julie:thumbup: |
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Originally Posted by jules63
(Post 9641092)
Did you see this online? - I can't find anything about it
cheers julie:thumbup: http://www.oliva.es/files/000001172_...erritorial.pdf and the road info here: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autov%C3%ADa_A-38 |
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 9641083)
But it makes for an interesting trip, sightseeing.
As I said in May Algeciras to Madrid return for two ~€113 which I think is value for money. The track is an engineering feat anyway. To upgrade it to AVE standard would take some doing. |
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Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 9641155)
Great trip isn't it? We'll go somewhere up there tomorrow - possibly up to Benaohan and walk back down the bank of the Guadiaro to Jimera de Libar to catch the train back 4 hours (and several beers) later.
The track is an engineering feat anyway. To upgrade it to AVE standard would take some doing. A good trip is to take the train and have lunch in Benaojan and then catch the train back http://www.molinodelsanto.com/uk/index.php |
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 9641296)
British built track and stations.
A good trip is to take the train and have lunch in Benaojan and then catch the train back http://www.molinodelsanto.com/uk/index.php |
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