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The quotes 'if true' from the Driver says he was going too fast, he messed it up and he wish he was dead. However one should ask in what context was this said.
Yes he was going too fast, but why? Was he distracted? It seems so. But why? Should he have answered the phone? Did he know it was not an emergency? Should the conductor have phone the driver? Should there not have been a safer means of communication between the two? Was it because the infrastructure was inadequate? He wishes he was dead, I would too after seeing the wreckage. The news about the driver are superstition (sorry about the typo before). The facts are the works and changes to the operation system(s) presently begin undertaken by ADIF. The political need behind the original plans to have this up and running before a certain date will have influenced many factors in this project. Like the actual train; it was a “bastard†train made especially to run on this line. |
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Originally Posted by Casa Santo Estevo
(Post 10835629)
The news about the driver are superstition (sorry about the typo before).
I think it's safe to say, a lot of things were wrong, including the cover up going on, but as yet, we don't actually know. The subsequent enquiry, the contents of the black box, will perhaps give us a definitive report of what actually happened. |
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Originally Posted by Casa Santo Estevo
(Post 10835629)
Like the actual train; it was a “bastard†train made especially to run on this line.
Whose words are those and what are they all about ? |
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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 10835677)
Clarification ?
Whose words are those and what are they all about ? El tren es conocido como "hÃbrido", es decir, puede tener tracción eléctrica y diésel y está adaptado para circular por la vÃa de Renfe, más ancha que la del resto de Europa, y la Internacional. http://www.espormadrid.es/2012/06/nu...duales-de.html |
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Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 10835701)
Think he might mean "hybrid". It can run on diesel and electric.
It can change gauge while moving - clever stuff! |
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Originally Posted by Fred James
(Post 10835746)
And it is also a dual gauge as it can run on the Spanish wide track and the newer narrower International track that the AVE runs on.
It can change gauge while moving - clever stuff! However the engines are not dual guage only the carriages. |
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 10835784)
However the engines are not dual guage only the carriages. http://www.talgo.com/index.php/en/cambio_a.php There is a video of it doing it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qaV1tI3Auo |
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Originally Posted by Fred James
(Post 10835746)
And it is also a dual gauge as it can run on the Spanish wide track and the newer narrower International track that the AVE runs on.
It can change gauge while moving - clever stuff! As I understand it most countries quickly adopted the standard gauge for their main systems at least a century and a half ago. |
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Some theories suggest it was deliberately made different in the 19th century to stop the French invading by train!
A better theory is that the engineers responsible just got is wrong as they thought that as the country was so mountainous a larger gauge would allow wider, more powerful locomotives but that turned out not to be the case. Article on WiKi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian_gauge |
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Originally Posted by Fred James
(Post 10835814)
I was under the impression that the Talgo 250 was the only tractor unit that could do this. If not the train would have to stop at some stage to change tractors.
http://www.talgo.com/index.php/en/cambio_a.php There is a video of it doing it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qaV1tI3Auo My experience was on the Altaria from Algeciras to Madrid, being regauged at Bobadilla where the photos were taken |
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 10836221)
Apologies Fred I was not aware that the Talgo could do that.
My experience was on the Altaria from Algeciras to Madrid, being regauged at Bobadilla where the photos were taken This new system does look pretty clever. Spain is not exactly renowned as an engineering world leader but they sure know how to build trains! |
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agoreira, has it.
The AVE is described in WIKI The train that crashed was at first proclaimed to be an AVE, by government officials, but it was in fact a class S730. It is similar to the Talgo 250, the S730 train runs with a diesel at one end and electric power at from the other. In other words a bastard. neither one thing or another. A quick fix solution. Perhaps the first paragraph of this page describes the train set the best. The service was being operated by a RENFE Class S730 Talgo 250 high-speed train set. The Class S730 is a sub-class of RENFE Class S130, the main difference between the two models is the installation of two diesel generator cars directly next to the locomotives into the train set, which are used to power the train on non-electrified rail lines, thus making the Class S730 trains one of the very few bi-mode electric / diesel passenger trains in use in the world. |
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<snip quoted post out>
ok apologies, it wasn't meant to offend so I have deleted anyway.:o |
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DD. I too have asked for my posting, which quoted you, to be removed or edited so that does not show. I am now in the hands of the Moderators as i cannot edit or remove the posting myself for some reason.
Thank you for the removal of the posting. I appreciate it. |
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Originally Posted by Casa Santo Estevo
(Post 10837232)
DD. I too have asked for my posting, which quoted you, to be removed or edited so that does not show. I am now in the hands of the Moderators as i cannot edit or remove the posting myself for some reason.
Thank you for the removal of the posting. I appreciate it. Surely with a Diesel loco at one end and Electric at the other, it is going to involve a much more complex control system than with standard matched power units. Wether or not this makes the drivers job more difficult, either with controlling the train itself or monitoring two entirely different power units, I haven't a clue, but it did cross my mind. |
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