Traffic Islands
#46
Re: Traffic Islands
Did you bring up the fact that there are far fewer fatal/serious accidents in the UK compared to Spain? Just about everything about roads and driving in Spain is more dangerous compared to the UK. The Spanish should change ALL their laws and roads to be like British laws and roads and the death rate would be halved in a short time.
I'm going to change my roundabout technique to; right hand lane for turning right and going straight on and left hand lane for turning left and U turn. Anyone who uses the right hand lane for turning left is a) stupid and b) going to get some crazy Brit who wants to go straight on T-bone him from the left hand lane.
I'm going to change my roundabout technique to; right hand lane for turning right and going straight on and left hand lane for turning left and U turn. Anyone who uses the right hand lane for turning left is a) stupid and b) going to get some crazy Brit who wants to go straight on T-bone him from the left hand lane.
The Spanish are inclined to both drive faster in unsuitable conditions and also take more risks,...however I would qualify that by saying the difference is much less now than it used to be,..the Spanish now seemingly taking greater notice of the increasing number of speed checks etc.....(much the same in France also, now incidently).
One other noticable difference is that often on very busy rbts.in the UK the road numbers are more often clearly marked in white, within the appropriate lane, so there can be no dispute which is the correct lane.
Otherwise I would say that road markings in Spain are generally quite good,..although very occasionally on minor roads or small villages they can occasionally be missing altogether.
#47
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Joined: Mar 2010
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Re: Traffic Islands
I think the speed and risk factor have a big bearing on the number of fatalities.
The Spanish are inclined to both drive faster in unsuitable conditions and also take more risks,...however I would qualify that by saying the difference is much less now than it used to be,..the Spanish now seemingly taking greater notice of the increasing number of speed checks etc.....(much the same in France also, now incidently).
One other noticable difference is that often on very busy rbts.in the UK the road numbers are more often clearly marked in white, within the appropriate lane, so there can be no dispute which is the correct lane.
Otherwise I would say that road markings in Spain are generally quite good,..although very occasionally on minor roads or small villages they can occasionally be missing altogether.
The Spanish are inclined to both drive faster in unsuitable conditions and also take more risks,...however I would qualify that by saying the difference is much less now than it used to be,..the Spanish now seemingly taking greater notice of the increasing number of speed checks etc.....(much the same in France also, now incidently).
One other noticable difference is that often on very busy rbts.in the UK the road numbers are more often clearly marked in white, within the appropriate lane, so there can be no dispute which is the correct lane.
Otherwise I would say that road markings in Spain are generally quite good,..although very occasionally on minor roads or small villages they can occasionally be missing altogether.
Jo xxx
#51
Re: Traffic Islands
This is the roundabout I had my problem on:
I was coming down from the north and going straight on. As you can see there is turn left. Why on earth would anyone want to negotiate a U turn in the rght hand lane? It's insane!
Here is the view of the exit
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&...12,184.38,,0,5
As you can see there are 3 exit lanes. I was just about where the camera car was when she cut across me - effectively cutting across those three lanes! Madness!! And yet she was in the right.
I was coming down from the north and going straight on. As you can see there is turn left. Why on earth would anyone want to negotiate a U turn in the rght hand lane? It's insane!
Here is the view of the exit
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&...12,184.38,,0,5
As you can see there are 3 exit lanes. I was just about where the camera car was when she cut across me - effectively cutting across those three lanes! Madness!! And yet she was in the right.
#52
Re: Traffic Islands
jimenato I was aware of which island you were refering to, however with the garage + the refinery it would not be quite so clear to someone who does not know the area.
I was trying to show an island where the 3 int 2 is clearer
I was trying to show an island where the 3 int 2 is clearer
#53
Re: Traffic Islands
No one took any notice of the hatching
#54
Re: Traffic Islands
This is the roundabout I had my problem on:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&...01937&t=k&z=19
I was coming down from the north and going straight on. As you can see there is turn left. Why on earth would anyone want to negotiate a U turn in the rght hand lane? It's insane!
Here is the view of the exit
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&...12,184.38,,0,5
As you can see there are 3 exit lanes. I was just about where the camera car was when she cut across me - effectively cutting across those three lanes! Madness!! And yet she was in the right.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&...01937&t=k&z=19
I was coming down from the north and going straight on. As you can see there is turn left. Why on earth would anyone want to negotiate a U turn in the rght hand lane? It's insane!
Here is the view of the exit
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&...12,184.38,,0,5
As you can see there are 3 exit lanes. I was just about where the camera car was when she cut across me - effectively cutting across those three lanes! Madness!! And yet she was in the right.
It could possibly be argued that the lady would have been better of on the inside lane until past the main straight ahead exit,but anyone not familiar with the rbt may be inclined to stick in the outside lane as per the priority law, for safety.
Likewise others very familiar with the straight ahead flow of most traffic, could mistakenly think they were ok on the inside.
However if the outside lane priority always applies as stated, the safest bet is to simply to always stick to it, until reaching the correct exit,whenever in any doubt.
No doubt better markings would also help.
#55
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Re: Traffic Islands
I mentioned this one at Murcia Ikea earlier, I defy anyone to get the correct lane and not having to take avoiding action with other cars!
For Ikea from the A7 you enter from the road at top/left and you would need to make a left turn to exit at top/right.
For Ikea from the A7 you enter from the road at top/left and you would need to make a left turn to exit at top/right.
#56
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Location: Los Martinez
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Re: Traffic Islands
Forgot to add, in that pic I have posted is the classic example of what we are all discussing.
Toward the bottom you can see a long white truck going for an exit from the inner lane. Just below him in the outer lane is a car on a collision course with the truck.
Spanish law as everyone is saying is that the car has priority over the truck because its in the right hand/outside lane! Yet in the UK it would be the other way around.
Toward the bottom you can see a long white truck going for an exit from the inner lane. Just below him in the outer lane is a car on a collision course with the truck.
Spanish law as everyone is saying is that the car has priority over the truck because its in the right hand/outside lane! Yet in the UK it would be the other way around.
#57
Re: Traffic Islands
Forgot to add, in that pic I have posted is the classic example of what we are all discussing.
Toward the bottom you can see a long white truck going for an exit from the inner lane. Just below him in the outer lane is a car on a collision course with the truck.
Spanish law as everyone is saying is that the car has priority over the truck because its in the right hand/outside lane! Yet in the UK it would be the other way around.
Toward the bottom you can see a long white truck going for an exit from the inner lane. Just below him in the outer lane is a car on a collision course with the truck.
Spanish law as everyone is saying is that the car has priority over the truck because its in the right hand/outside lane! Yet in the UK it would be the other way around.
This one in England is much more sensible....
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&...01937&t=k&z=19
#58
Re: Traffic Islands
Used to be some weird roads and rbts.in Tenerife.
One place in Las Am.where taking a left of the Prom would bring you onto the left side of the next st.with traffic coming the opposite way on the opposite side as inthe UK.
Driving towards another village on the East coast would suddenly be confronted with a lane of traffic on each side both coming from the opposite direction,..very unnerving.
Also the weird medi or semi circular,half rbts.,where to turn left you drove off to the right and waited in a queue to cross two lanes of contraflow traffic on what was originally,basically a simple T-junction.
Having said that,a simple T-junction close to my present location has been made into a dogs dinner,akin to spaghetti junction,with little islands,stop signs and white paint as far as the eye can see.
Even now after two years in use it still causes total confusion,even to regular users.
Reckon the Spanish road authorities have a special talent for making simple things difficult,and difficult things nigh-hand impossible.
One place in Las Am.where taking a left of the Prom would bring you onto the left side of the next st.with traffic coming the opposite way on the opposite side as inthe UK.
Driving towards another village on the East coast would suddenly be confronted with a lane of traffic on each side both coming from the opposite direction,..very unnerving.
Also the weird medi or semi circular,half rbts.,where to turn left you drove off to the right and waited in a queue to cross two lanes of contraflow traffic on what was originally,basically a simple T-junction.
Having said that,a simple T-junction close to my present location has been made into a dogs dinner,akin to spaghetti junction,with little islands,stop signs and white paint as far as the eye can see.
Even now after two years in use it still causes total confusion,even to regular users.
Reckon the Spanish road authorities have a special talent for making simple things difficult,and difficult things nigh-hand impossible.
#59
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Joined: Oct 2009
Location: Trying to get the hell outta Spain!
Posts: 1,354
Re: Traffic Islands
Did you bring up the fact that there are far fewer fatal/serious accidents in the UK compared to Spain? Just about everything about roads and driving in Spain is more dangerous compared to the UK. The Spanish should change ALL their laws and roads to be like British laws and roads and the death rate would be halved in a short time.
I'm going to change my roundabout technique to; right hand lane for turning right and going straight on and left hand lane for turning left and U turn. Anyone who uses the right hand lane for turning left is a) stupid and b) going to get some crazy Brit who wants to go straight on T-bone him from the left hand lane.
I'm going to change my roundabout technique to; right hand lane for turning right and going straight on and left hand lane for turning left and U turn. Anyone who uses the right hand lane for turning left is a) stupid and b) going to get some crazy Brit who wants to go straight on T-bone him from the left hand lane.
I find Spanish roads appalling compared to British roads. In fact when I went back to the UK recently, the roads there were like computer generated games they were so clear! Cats eyes?? why dont Spanish roads have them? reflective white paint?! and as for sign posts and directional posts??? And what about the deep gutters on the verges. I've seen many a car thats obviously missed the road a tad and has ended up lying sideways, well and truly stuck - and written off!!!!!
Jo xxx
Jo xxx
#60
Re: Traffic Islands
Apart from items in my last post, I think some things are done better than in the UK,such as pre-warning of the degree of difficulty of the next bend by the number of chevrons or arrows which are now often illuminated by solar power to make them even more noticable.
Having said that,unfortunately many drivers in Spain appear to believe that a car can travel as safely around a corner at the same speed as when travelling in a straight line.
One nice touch is the imitation workman at the roadside waving his red flag to warn of roadworks.
He looks very realistic until you get very close up and I think he does an excellent job considering his long hours and zero wage-bill.
Jeez,what happened there?
The site has gone berserk!
Having said that,unfortunately many drivers in Spain appear to believe that a car can travel as safely around a corner at the same speed as when travelling in a straight line.
One nice touch is the imitation workman at the roadside waving his red flag to warn of roadworks.
He looks very realistic until you get very close up and I think he does an excellent job considering his long hours and zero wage-bill.
Jeez,what happened there?
The site has gone berserk!
Last edited by Dick Dasterdly; Apr 13th 2010 at 10:37 pm. Reason: strange goings on?