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Cigarette smoke is harmful. Passive smoking is IMO exactly as dangerous, taking consumption into consideration.

If you passively smoke the equivalent of 1 cigarette a day, then the risk to you is the same as if you smoked one a day.

Don't forget that people's resistance to cancer varies.

My grandfather smoked quite solidly all his life, and in those days he would save his fag ends and smoke them in a pipe.

He died of lung cancer, but it didn't get him until he was past 80.

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I don't know but I'm guessing that maybe that includes a lot of the poorer countries and countries will little or no health and safety, eg. miners, factory workers and people who will burn anything just to stay alive and yes, smoke anything too. :sneaky:

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The same pattern can be found among UK isolated results.

I await your explanation.

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I heard on the news yesterday that the Spanish Parliament were to vote on an all out smoking ban in public places. This would take Spain from being one of the 'worst' EU countries to one of the toughest.

However I cant find out anything about it on the internet. It would be on the Spainsh news if so. Anybody heard the latest?

We have to wait till 2013 in Belgium for this to happen - yesterday we went for a drink or 2 and came back smelling of smoke :thumbdown:

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I've just been told that it's now prohibited to smoke outside the door to a hospital. I smoke and have done since the age of 12. I origionaly started (like so many at that age) because I thought it was a cool thing to do. I do it now because I want to (and because I'm addicted). I could stop but I'm not going to. I've just spent 3 days in hospital with some unknown bacteria infection in my body that was killing my imune system and was literaly killing me. I don't know how I got it and at this moment in time niether do the doctors. There are worse things out there that will kill you much quicker than smoking. I for one cannot see how Spain is going to police the smoking ban, most of the police around here can't be arsed to do the job they already have including the twats that witnessed a car nearly wipe out my OH and I on a pedestrian crossing and did sod all about it. Friends of ours that work in bars say that if people choose to ignore the new law (if and when it happens) they're not going to do anything about it, those that do choose to comply with the law are simply going to avoid the bars they work at and time will tell how many bars, restaurants, cafes, etc. close.

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It's all a bit of a mystery at the moment isn't it? It's been reported in the British press but not much that I can find in the Spanish press.

We don't know what qualifies as a terrace - number of walls, temporary roofs, toldos etc and we don't know what penalties there will be nor who will have to pay them - i.e. who will be the offender - the smoker or the bar owner.

I would like it all to be made clear in advance so that we (bar owners) can prepare. I don't expect this to happen. I expect no-one will know what to do - bar owners, smokers, enforcement agency (policia, guardia maybe?) and all.

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Some info here, http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/8089...umar/colegios/
The good news is you can carry on selling tobacco, and if you're banged up or a nutter, you're OK!:thumbsup: Prisons, mental hospitals, hotels, football grounds and the plazo de toros are excluded.
I certainly think it will be the bar owner, not the smoker, that will get fined.

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An English bar near us went from smoking to non smoking early this year and doesn´t seem to have suffered at all.

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Very funny, you are right about them not being bothered (only when it suits them) and how will it be policed, time will tell

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People talk about pubs closing, but the number has been decreasing for ages, long before a smoking ban was introduced. At one time you had to go to the pub if you wanted a drink, that has long since changed, drinking habits have changed, I certainly don't see any negative effects of the ban here in UK either. Put "new pub opening" in google, there are loads of new pubs springing up. The vast majority aren't going to stop going to the pub/restaurant just because they have to go outside for a fag, there'll be lots of the usual bravado but they'll get used to it. For me, as a non smoker, it's the best thing that ever happened.

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In my area, Alicante, the No Smoking ban has been in place for around four years.

The successful bar and restaurant owners, usually Spanish, have long learned to cope with it by providing a separate area for non-smokers. You can always tell the unsuccessful bar owners, usually British, I’m sorry to say, they’ve got three signs in their windows, No Dogs, No Smoking and Se Vende.

The devilishly clever Chinese have got it well sussed. Our local and best restaurant has two areas, smokers to the left and non-smokers to the right, separated by a long row of plastic flowers. We normally go to the right to dine, and are seldom disturbed by the 50 happy smokers puffing away only yards away. I surmise that some of the many air conditioning units are in fact smoke extractors.

If your bar is under 100 metres and you can’t provide a separate area for the non-smokers, you have a simple choice of which sticker you put on your windows. If I was running such a bar in Puerto Banus, I would have a No Smoking sticker in the window.

If I was running such a bar in Torrevieja, I would have a sign in the window saying, ‘Dogs welcome, Smokers welcome, please don’t leave your syringes in the cistern.’ And it would be wheel chair friendly.

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My OH was in England on holiday when the law came in over there and frriends of his had planned a dinner in the house for the following night as the majority of them smoked. These same friends were over here a few months ago on holiday and automaticly went out onto the patio to smoke as they'd become acustomed to it and even said they felt "naughty" smoking in a bar when we went out but all in all they said they just accepted that they couldn't smoke anywhere inside in the UK.
The Spanish however are a different people and tend to have more backbone. If the Spanish aren't happy about something they'll protest strongly about it.....time will tell.
As to people posting about googling how many new bars are opening in the UK......POINTLESS & IRRELEVENT!!!!!.................new bars keep opening in Benidorm, doesn't mean they have any customers or that they will still be open in 6 months!

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I'm not so sure about that, at least in the long run. I'm old enough to remember when people were able to smoke on underground systems. When the smoking ban was introduced in Madrid (in the 90s iirc) people said it wouldn't be observed. It's true it took a year or two before you stopped seeing people light up, but now the law is observed. I suspect the same will be with the smoking in bars - at first you'll see infringements, but eventually all will comply.

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I understand your point but most people use the Metro because they have to, people go to bars, cafes, restaurants, etc. because they want to. Take away the choice to smoke during a meal, drink, etc. and people may choose to eat, drink, etc. in their homes more often. It's all about freedom of choice.
Many years ago a friend owned a gym that also had a bar downstairs. One of the girls that worked in the bar often complained about people smoking in the bar and my friend that owned the bar didn't like people smoking either but as he said, if he made it a non smoking bar he'd loose most of his customers.
As the crisis came in over here I saw less and less people in the bars and heard more and more people having fiestas in their homes, people didn't stop doing what they enjoyed, they just changed their venue.