Originally Posted by JnK (Post 8930323)

I think she's defending the right to freedom of choice and speech, just like you are exercising yours now. :frown:

Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 8930429)

Again, are you saying that you don't think there is a link between smoking and lung cancer?

Originally Posted by jojojojojo (Post 8931258)

Yes theres a link! But lung cancer isnt the most common form of cancer, non smokers can contract it, even without having passively smoked! However, my point is that the scientific proof that smoking kills isnt based on 100% conclusive results, its based on correlation (a calculated assumption). Its a bit like saying that red and processed meat causes cancer, which was in the news a few months ago - er......!!!?????????

Smoking isnt good for you, it MAY cause serious health issues! Its a disgusting habit and its a shame people start, but its not the worst drug in the world (no.13, with alcohol no.3 I think??), its not the most socially offensive drug (I'd sooner meet a smoker than a drunk) and its not worth the cost of banning it in public places - when they arent banning selling ciggies!



Jo xxx

Originally Posted by jojojojojo (Post 8931258)

Yes theres a link! But lung cancer isnt the most common form of cancer, non smokers can contract it, even without having passively smoked! However, my point is that the scientific proof that smoking kills isnt based on 100% conclusive results, its based on correlation (a calculated assumption). Its a bit like saying that red and processed meat causes cancer, which was in the news a few months ago - er......!!!?????????

Smoking isnt good for you, it MAY cause serious health issues! Its a disgusting habit and its a shame people start, but its not the worst drug in the world (no.13, with alcohol no.3 I think??), its not the most socially offensive drug (I'd sooner meet a smoker than a drunk) and its not worth the cost of banning it in public places - when they arent banning selling ciggies!



Jo xxx

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 8931304)

You cannot be serious.

Do you really think a ban on ciggies could ever work or be enforced ?
The Worldwide black market would be enormous.
The cost of trying to police it would be enormous.
The loss of tax to the govt.would be enormous, apart from having to be made up in other ways from ppls. pockets.

Alcohol is a totally seperate issue and has nothing to do with the problems caused by smokers.

Originally Posted by JnK (Post 8931305)

I'm with Jo

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 8931557)

Freedom and "human rights" as answers always make me laugh...

Originally Posted by jojojojojo (Post 8931739)

"Compromise"

Jo xxx

Originally Posted by jojojojojo (Post 8931739)

"Compromise"

Jo xxx

Originally Posted by jojojojojo (Post 8930282)

There are far more dangerous filthy habits that Brussels should be concentrating on dont you think??? What surprises me is the number of elderly smokers who like to go to a bar and have a ciggie and a drink - in Spain, some of these old chaps have been toddling along to the bar for years. In the streets, cafes, you see lots of elderly folk puffing away! surely that in itself is a sign as to how bad smoking is??? NOT! surely they'd all be dead if smoking kills.

I know so many people who have or who have died from cancer - they werent all smokers. I also know lots of people who havent got cancer and they're not all non smokers.

I agree its not a pleasant habit, but freedom of choice is being taken away, not only from the people, but the bar owners, which isnt right in a democracy

My mum was an alcoholic smoker and neither of those things killed her ... and she lived to 77, developed skin cancer (sun-related not smoke or alcohol), fell and broke her hip, and basically killed herself by refusing treatment (and who could blame her). So I agree Jo, there are far worse things happening all over the world to get uptight about.