so on the basis of a private interview not a Parliamentary Statement you are suggesting those of us in Spain should batten down the hatches, or if possible get out of Spain pronto

This is not like you Fred, I have you down as Steady Eddie.

I cannot get the CFG website to work, nor any other connection

We both know that Member of Parliament is much maligned and abused and to profess to be the Chairman of an organisation that from the (dodgy) web seems to be exceedingly dodgy indeed makes me wonder what use he really is.

Sri to be negative, have visited Gib many times - from the sea side,
As you know I didnt agree with giving back HK, a territory ceeded "in perpetuity" but given back because 200 years ago Lord Palmerston couldnt see the purpose of it.
So with Gib ceeded "in perpetuity" but the giver wanting it back for their own purposes whilst not wanting to give back other territories they have "borrowed" I can see the FCO caving in on this one - eventually.

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Sophia wont be at the ball due to fishermen and other royaltys proposed future visits http://www.thinkspain.com/news-spain...-hots-up-again

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=758546

whoops, sorry missed that one, thanks for the link

To answer all the nonsense I'm reading ...

1) Gibraltar is not an conquest, is an cession that gave Spain to the UK in reference to the Treaty of Utrecht, because of a war which Spain won. Gibraltar has no territorial waters of their own, this is in the Treaty of Utrecht, only the waters of its harbor. Then why they bother to the Spanish fishermen?

2) Comparisons of Gibraltar with Ceuta and Melilla are absurd, because Ceuta and Melilla were Spanish cities long before Morocco existed as a country

3) Gibraltar in Spain, is indifferent. Nobody remembers Gibraltar, except when cases like this, where they cause inconvenience to their spanish neighbors. And possibly, the foreign minister also he is indifferent, but his salary also is claiming Gibraltar. Not previously had problems, but since that this grandson of a republican spanish woman is the mayor of Gibraltar, only is causing discord, with excuses like that Spanish fishermen used fishing gear are prohibited, when are certified by EU, and even recently, they served. Coincidentally, today do not serve

4) The Gibraltarians always are british while they are considered as tax haven. For example, if the UK don't want Gibraltar, and Spain says Gibraltarians: " You will be Spanish and also a tax haven" ...I can then ensure that the Gibraltarians would feel the most Spanish of the world. This is not an issue of nationality, is of economic status

5) The United Kingdom believes very overrated. The UK has lost many battles, many (I know the military history of the UK) and many of these battles are lost against Spain, Cartagena de Indias and Tenerife, to give some examples, where if we had not been magnanimous with Nelson, there would have been Trafalgar. Another thing is that the UK in its history books never said the defeats, only the victories, unlike Spain. A defeat could have been the Falklands War. The help of US and Chile were decisive, also of convincing France to stop supply of missiles and airplanes to Argentina. Otherwise, today we would be talking about something else, but not of a victory

6) It is a great pity that because of this colony, the last colony in Europe (an anachronism in our time, in our continent and our democracies) clouding relations between Spain and the UK

Spain helped to Gibraltar in the early nineteenth century in a case of plague. I hope history does not repeat

Spain already has its own tax haven - it's called Andorra (shhh). Many years ago, our town twinned with a town in Andorra so that the local paletos could go up there once a year on the subsidised bus to handle their bank accounts and property there.
What you gonna do?

How the hell is that possible? I know you have a very biased, right wing view of Spain but how can Spain have been a country before Morocco? Morocco was the mother nation of the vast majority of Spain, it ruled Spain from Marakesh! Some of you Spaniards have the same warped view of your own history as do the Argentines! It must be a latin thing! Cueta only became Spanish in 1668 the Empire of Morocco began in the 11th century! Nuts, absolutely stark raving nuts.

No you are nuts RM.
The Moors may have controlled a large part of Iberia, but there was no such country as Morocco - an earlier state was later over-run by the Berbers from the 11th century. There were various caliphates (either Berbers or Arabs) that controlled northern Africa as well as bits of Iberia.
Having said that, you could argue that there wasn't really a Spain until the 17th century.

Ceuta and Melilla are in the same boat as the Isle of Wight, the Orkneys, or even northern Ireland - citizens have full rights and vote in the national elections. Do the citizens of Gibraltar vote in UK elections? If not, they are part of a colony, like it or not.

Your cheap demagoguery, you take the ass. Spain has never been dominated by Islam, because if so, we would be another Bosnia or another Chechnya. And Morocco, as a country, never existed before that Ceuta or Melilla. So the demagoguery the just. I am not argentine, moron. So you don't compare my country and its people with Argentina, because we are not seemed in nothing, except the language

Someone forgets that if it wasn't for Wellington and a few of his pals Spaniards would be French

Look, I know you can't possibly accept that Spain can do any wrong but the Empire of Morocco came into existence in the eleven hundreds, they called themselves the Empire of Morocco, even if, in the eyes of Western Historians we call them a Caliphate or whatever we want to belittle them as they held a kingdom that ruled the greater part of Spain well before Spain was unified, Spain had no claim over their territories in Morocco until 1668, who did it belong to while Spain was ruled by the Moors? The center of this Caliphate was Marakesh....
Oh and of the 14 B.O.T's I believe Gibraltar and the Falklands have FULL British citizenship.... and all that goes with it.

Yes, yes it was... for hundreds of years, if it wasn't for the Basques (Genetically) and the brave Northerners, you still would be... learn to deal with it.

Even when you say " Hola" you are paying respect to Allah.... how does that feel?

Someone forgets that if not for the Allies in the II World War, now UK would speak German; someone forgets that many of the soldiers of Welllington were Spanish, and also someone forgets that if not for the Prussians, the British had been defeated by the French Imperial Guard in Waterloo...So, if we talk in general terms, the Anglo-Spanish cooperation was necessary to fight Napoleon

Napoleon always regretted of to invaded Spain. His army in Spain it was already wear and tear when arrived Wellington. He invaded Spain, taking advantage of our army was in America, when then began independence conflicts

This is getting interesting so I am moving it to PDT so you can indulge yourselves!

It's true enough - 'The name Gibraltar is the Spanish derivation of the Arabic name Jabal Tāriq (جبل طارق), meaning "mountain of Tariq"' (Wikipedia).
Still and all - it's the right of the people who live there to live there in peace.
My own solution for the conflict - make Spain (unemployment rate 25%) part of Gibraltar (1.8% unemployment) , instead of the other way round.
Call the place Giberia.