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Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Originally Posted by jackytoo
(Post 10188852)
The spanish will fish anything to death, including the Cornish coast. They have been caught many times with illegal nets...and they are still selling chanquetes:thumbdown:
Observers monitoring European fish quotas are being regularly intimidated, offered bribes and undermined by the fishing crews they are observing, a Guardian investigation has discovered. More than 20 former and current observers on Portuguese and Spanish ships said that they had experienced tactics such as beingput under surveillance, deprived of sleep, or threatened with being thrown overboard, or having their official documentation stolen by fishing crews to conceal a culture of overfishing. |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
I wonder how much income the UK fishing grounds,the biggest in Europe would have been making at todays prices, if they hadn't pissed it all away to the EU and it's cowboy fishing fleets.
I recall an article from a few years back showing that Norways fishing grounds, second largest, were bringing more in than their oil and gas fields. |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
the EU and its crazy landsmen written rules don't help
fishing grounds are suitable for more than one species of fish, the net catches all as it doesn't have a discriminator that says "oh thats a cod of 18months I will let that out unharmed. millions of tons of perfectly good fish is being caught and thrown back to rot on the bottom they should be allowed to land what is caught - yes it will create peaks and troughs in the supply of various fish, but until such time as I have perfected the discriminator its the best option. |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 10187862)
Like J2 said, it's dragging my shares and investments down!:rofl: What I find difficult to comprehend is how Spain ever got in this state, given that we've been told here that everything is honky dory, business is booming, Spain will never need financial help. Our in house experts never predicted this mess, quite the contrary. And the fat lady hasn't even thought about singing yet, there's worse to come.
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Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 10188469)
She's been and gone.
Only came in to replenish Rum and Fags @ 7am on the 14th, you can see the RHIB alongside handing the goodies over. http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...e/P7145683.jpg - the tot was abolished on 31st July 1970 (Black Tot Day), I was present. The only time rum is now issued is when the Monarch orders a Splice The Mainbrace. |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Originally Posted by Domino
(Post 10189415)
why should she want to replenish Rum ?
- the tot was abolished on 31st July 1970 (Black Tot Day), I was present. The only time rum is now issued is when the Monarch orders a Splice The Mainbrace. It was 1978 before I was treated to the Elixir whilst aboard HMS Rooke :) |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 10189439)
;)
It was 1978 before I was treated to the Elixir whilst aboard HMS Rooke :) but you understand why we were so upset at losing it, although drink-drive laws being what they are it would have been possible to be over the limit 24hrs after a JR grog tot letalone a SR neaters. however some good did come out of it because the RN put a couple of £million into The Tot Fund, a subscription insurance policy that cost a couple of shillings a week IIRC with the vow that a payment of (again) IIRC £240 would be made within 4 days of the death of a member. This was because families live away from relatives, a deceased's bank account would be frozen and this was a sum to enable the family to pay immediate bills, buy food etc whilst the (still) wheels grind slowly. IMHO this was an innovative move, regrettably never picked up by the country's insurance companies - but then that isnt how insurance companies work is it. |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 10188957)
I wonder how much income the UK fishing grounds,the biggest in Europe would have been making at todays prices, if they hadn't pissed it all away to the EU and it's cowboy fishing fleets.
The Spanish Ministry of Environment, Agriculture and Fisheries said that inspections have nearly doubled since 2004 to 9,323 in 2010. That’s still far from the number of inspections other countries are carrying out—the United Kingdom logged nearly 50,000 inspections in 2004. But some things don’t appear to have changed. The number of inspectors in the port of Vigo—Europe's largest fishing port—remains the same as in 2003, when EU officials blasted Spain for the measly number of national inspectors at its ports. Today four inspectors oversee more than 700,000 metric tons of fish a year—that’s nearly 20,000 kilos of fish per inspector for every hour of every day of the year, including Christmas. |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
By the first half of the 18th century the concept of the three-mile wide sovereign territorial sea emerged, and this was eventually adopted by most countries as the basis of marine jurisdiction, until the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982, which entered into force in 1995, set a new standard of 12 nautical miles. Most countries, including the members of the European Union, are signatories to the Convention. It applies to Gibraltar. Spain added a comment regarding Gibraltar at the time of its adherence to the Convention which is of no legal effect in modifying the terms of the Convention, It does, however, record the view taken by Spain on this point, a view which no other signatory to the Convention accepts or accedes to. Incidentally I don't think anyone has mentioned why the GC detained the Gibraltar boat. It was apparently fishing illegally for a protected kind of tuna, and ignored calls to stop. But more likely tit for tat in retaliation for the Gibraltar police harassing Spanish fishing boats a few weeks ago. |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Originally Posted by Pocaloca
(Post 10189622)
It's physically impossible for both Gib and Spain to have a 12 mile limit or even a three mile limit.
However Gib is not claiming a 12 mile limit.
Originally Posted by Pocaloca
(Post 10189622)
They simply have to sit down and agree a compromise before somebody gets hurt. .
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Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
http://www.gibnet.com/fish/waters.gif
Pocaloca - you don't seem acquainted with the facts which are: Spain claims a 12 mile limit Gibraltar claims a 3 mile limit Where there is not enough water to accommodate both limits (e.g. in the bay and the straits) a compromise is reached usually by means of a line drawn halfway between the two countries coasts. This is standard practice all over the world and is not peculiar to this situation. Gibraltar claims only three miles because if they increased it to the world usual standard 12, they would only gain the bit of the Med labelled 'High Seas' in the above graphic. I don't think anyone (apart from Spain) can work out why Spain thinks that Gibraltar can't claim a three mile limit. As Fred said, they keep going back to the treaty of Utrecht which was before all this stuff about territorial waters was even thought of. As you say a compromise has to be reached and that is the same the world over. It most certainly should not include an armed Spanish vessel entering Gibraltar harbour waters on a hostile mission. (see post 220). |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 10189670)
As you say a compromise has to be reached and that is the same the world over. It most certainly should not include an armed Spanish vessel entering Gibraltar harbour waters on a hostile mission. (see post 220).
Of course it wrong for the Spanish police to enter the harbour just as it was wrong for the Gibraltar police to barge Spanish fishing boats. There are no good guys and bad guys in this scenario, just stupid stubborn guys waving their flags of patriotism. |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 10189670)
http://www.gibnet.com/fish/waters.gif
Pocaloca - you don't seem acquainted with the facts which are: Spain claims a 12 mile limit Gibraltar claims a 3 mile limit Where there is not enough water to accommodate both limits (e.g. in the bay and the straits) a compromise is reached usually by means of a line drawn halfway between the two countries coasts. This is standard practice all over the world and is not peculiar to this situation. Gibraltar claims only three miles because if they increased it to the world usual standard 12, they would only gain the bit of the Med labelled 'High Seas' in the above graphic. I don't think anyone (apart from Spain) can work out why Spain thinks that Gibraltar can't claim a three mile limit. As Fred said, they keep going back to the treaty of Utrecht which was before all this stuff about territorial waters was even thought of. As you say a compromise has to be reached and that is the same the world over. It most certainly should not include an armed Spanish vessel entering Gibraltar harbour waters on a hostile mission. (see post 220). |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 10189798)
Quite a difference between the size of the GIb waters and the Ceuta waters, I notice. :confused:
An intelligent Spanish person looking at that must surely be a bit embarrassed at attempts to justify the position not forgetting Melilla has a similar sized bite of the med and the other small islands they claim off the African coast as well. |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Originally Posted by Pocaloca
(Post 10189746)
Thank you for that clear (ish) explanation. But if everyone in the world except Spain thinks Gib should have a 3 mile limit, why isn't Spain forced to comply, and what was that EU ruling all about? :confused:
Of course it wrong for the Spanish police to enter the harbour just as it was wrong for the Gibraltar police to barge Spanish fishing boats. There are no good guys and bad guys in this scenario, just stupid stubborn guys waving their flags of patriotism. I don't really know why the EU gave Spain environmental responsibility for some Gibraltar territorial waters. The general opinion is that it was just a cock up which wouldn't surprise me one bit. |
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