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Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 10196152)
Hi Pocaloca can you point me to a link please ? So far all I have found is that the laws are proposals and not yet fully signed.
With reference to the photo you posted Gib does not have any commercial fishing boats, I am trying to establish what the boat actually was. The photo I believe shows a Spanish boat off the mouth of the Gadarranque river with the Gibraltar Oil Refinery in the background, but this is much of a guess due to the lack of detail. Se PROHIBE la pesca deportiva y recreativa de atún rojo Here's the article with the picture of the boat. I supposed they could have stuck any old boat in the article just to make it look authentic? Gibraltar acusa a la Guardia Civil de «incursión ilegal» en sus aguas |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 10196152)
With reference to the photo you posted Gib does not have any commercial fishing boats, I am trying to establish what the boat actually was.
http://www.rodman.es/eng/rodman_fisher_cruiser_870.html |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 10196142)
I don't know but I would guess pre 1969.
I was aware that Military flights could not overfly Spain when heading for Gib, they have to go out over the Atlantic and around Portugal. Also until recently civilian flights could not go direct from Gib to or from Spain, Tangiers was popular, I sat on the runway there for a few hours waiting whilst they dragged a Nimrod off the runway at Gib when it burst all it's tyres on landing. Even pleasure boats at one time could not go from Gib to the province of Cadiz. Back in 1986 when the Yanks bombed Gadaffi with F111 from UK they had to fly a round Spain, although I believe one did land at Rota on the return due to damage. |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Originally Posted by Pocaloca
(Post 10196198)
Sure. Here's where it says it is illegal to catch atun rojo (bluefin) for sport, you have to be a proper licensed fishing boat.
Se PROHIBE la pesca deportiva y recreativa de atún rojo Here's the article with the picture of the boat. I supposed they could have stuck any old boat in the article just to make it look authentic? Gibraltar acusa a la Guardia Civil de «incursión ilegal» en sus aguas A Gib vessel should have got in the way of the GC and stopped them from going back out to sea, impounding them. But perhaps that was one of the chess moves that were considered. |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Originally Posted by Pocaloca
(Post 10196198)
Sure. Here's where it says it is illegal to catch atun rojo (bluefin) for sport, you have to be a proper licensed fishing boat.
Se PROHIBE la pesca deportiva y recreativa de atún rojo The boat was Gibraltar registered with a Gibraltarian crew fishing in International waters. The only so called crime committed was to sail through Gibraltar waters which Spain declares are her's in contraventionof UN Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982 The correct procedure was for the GC to inform Gib of their suspicions, and believe it or not the two authorities do normally co-operate although the recent fishing dispute has put a strain on that. |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Originally Posted by Domino
(Post 10196287)
the GC would appear to have made an illegal incursion into UK/Gib waters, irrespective of the reasons, although they probably believe they were allowed to as they were chasing another vessel.
A Gib vessel should have got in the way of the GC and stopped them from going back out to sea, impounding them. But perhaps that was one of the chess moves that were considered. |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Spanish fishermen receive some of biggest fines in UK maritime history
Two companies owned by the Vidal family were fined £1.62m in total in a Truro court, after a two-day hearing, in which details emerged of falsified log books, failing to register the transfer of fish between vessels, false readings given for weighing fish at sea, and fiddling of fishing quotas. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...?newsfeed=true |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 10196299)
Spanish fishermen receive some of biggest fines in UK maritime history
Two companies owned by the Vidal family were fined £1.62m in total in a Truro court, after a two-day hearing, in which details emerged of falsified log books, failing to register the transfer of fish between vessels, false readings given for weighing fish at sea, and fiddling of fishing quotas. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...?newsfeed=true also at http://sfpa-ie.access.secure-ssl-ser...r%20290312.doc |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Mine's bigger than your's Domino
I got €2.000.000 you only got €23.000 |
Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 10196354)
Mine's bigger than your's Domino
I got €2.000.000 you only got €23.000 actually I trawled (pun maybe intended) but there don't seem to be many prosecutions of Spanish on the website I found. Irrespective, I still believe fish cannot see the lines the same way as trawls can discriminate what they catch (yet). taking a ton of mixed fish out of the sea is no good for the environment nor the future of the fish if you dump back 3/4's of it dead because an office wallah has written down figures on a piece of paper.... The oceans are bountious and still a mystery to us, so fish by all means but process what has been caught. The oceans could be the answer to the future problem of feeding the population of the planet. |
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