Problems in Gibraltar again
 

The Gibraltar Police stopped 3 fishing boats from Algerciras fishing in Gib waters. Civil guard came and the Royal Navy sent a ship and told them to leave. Lots of comments below saying they should close the border, that would help the 5000 Spaniards working there:blink: One comment says they should send in the tanks:rofl:

http://www.diariosur.es/rc/20120524/...205240127.html

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

The view from Gibraltar

“Those who are orchestrating these dangerous confrontations need to come to their senses and accept the challenge, once and for all, to litigate their claims to our territory in the relevant international tribunals established for that purpose in the 21st century and not put people's safety and security at risk trying to advance their position out at sea as if in the 18th century,”

Full article

http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=24955

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

Meanwhile the frontier is again being used by Spain to try and intimidate Gibraltar.
Whilst the fact is that the people suffering most from these actions are the frontier workers, the majority being Spanish.

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

would the tanks have to wait 2 hours in the queue to get thru border control ? ?

surely thats because the petrol is cheaper in Gib than in Spain and the Spanish Army cannot afford to fill up their tanks ??

they have more to worry about than a piece of land 2.6sq miles (6.8sq km), perhaps even worry about who is actually inciting these fishermen into breaking the law whilst not prosecuting them.

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

Tonight is a repeat

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

Gib had come to an agreement with the La Linea fishermen yesterday - it's the Algeciras ones who are 'rocking the boat'.
This carries on long enough, we'll all get our marching orders from the village cop.

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

Please don't jest about things like that, I've got two village cops and they both gave me dirty looks today.

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

We could do with a war in the UK to cheer us up....

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

Well, there we are. The PSOE mayoress of La Linea (fishing port that has palled up with the Gibraltar authorities) says that the problem over the past few days with the Algeciras fishermen comes from some instructions out of an office not far from the PP-run town hall over there.
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2012/0...337935075.html

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

La Linea knows which side of the rock its bread is buttered:lol:

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

I have just listened to an interview with Andrew Rosindell M.P. who is the Chairman of the Conservative Friends of Gibraltar which is a lobby group within the Conservative Party opposed to any joint sovereignty of Gibraltar with Spain.

May I suggest you all batten down the hatches, or if possible get out of Spain pronto.

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

would that be the same Andrew Rosindell M.P. who accepted visited Gibraltar on trips paid for by the Gib Govt without registering them in the due time, and asked questions in the house without registering any form of interest before doing so
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8573309.stm

would that be the same Andrew Rosindell M.P. who claimed more than £125,000 in second home expenses for a flat in London, while designating his childhood home 17 miles away - where his mother lived - as his main address.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...n-address.html

But I cannot find any trace of him making a statement in the past couple of days.

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

would that be the same Andrew Rosindell M.P. who accepted visited Gibraltar on trips paid for by the Gib Govt without registering them in the due time, and asked questions in the house without registering any form of interest before doing so
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8573309.stm

would that be the same Andrew Rosindell M.P. who claimed more than £125,000 in second home expenses for a flat in London, while designating his childhood home 17 miles away - where his mother lived - as his main address.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...n-address.html

But I cannot find any trace of him making a statement in the past couple of days.

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

Quite possibly

But he is still an MP, and still Chairman of the Conservative Friends of Gibraltar

Also I listened to an interview not a Palimentry Statement.

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

To be honest I'm a little unsure why the articles relate to his opinions regarding Gib myself...

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

so on the basis of a private interview not a Parliamentary Statement you are suggesting those of us in Spain should batten down the hatches, or if possible get out of Spain pronto

This is not like you Fred, I have you down as Steady Eddie.

I cannot get the CFG website to work, nor any other connection

We both know that Member of Parliament is much maligned and abused and to profess to be the Chairman of an organisation that from the (dodgy) web seems to be exceedingly dodgy indeed makes me wonder what use he really is.

Sri to be negative, have visited Gib many times - from the sea side,
As you know I didnt agree with giving back HK, a territory ceeded "in perpetuity" but given back because 200 years ago Lord Palmerston couldnt see the purpose of it.
So with Gib ceeded "in perpetuity" but the giver wanting it back for their own purposes whilst not wanting to give back other territories they have "borrowed" I can see the FCO caving in on this one - eventually.

.

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

Sophia wont be at the ball due to fishermen and other royaltys proposed future visits http://www.thinkspain.com/news-spain...-hots-up-again

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=758546 ;)

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

whoops, sorry missed that one, thanks for the link :embarrassed_smile:

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

To answer all the nonsense I'm reading ...

1) Gibraltar is not an conquest, is an cession that gave Spain to the UK in reference to the Treaty of Utrecht, because of a war which Spain won. Gibraltar has no territorial waters of their own, this is in the Treaty of Utrecht, only the waters of its harbor. Then why they bother to the Spanish fishermen?

2) Comparisons of Gibraltar with Ceuta and Melilla are absurd, because Ceuta and Melilla were Spanish cities long before Morocco existed as a country

3) Gibraltar in Spain, is indifferent. Nobody remembers Gibraltar, except when cases like this, where they cause inconvenience to their spanish neighbors. And possibly, the foreign minister also he is indifferent, but his salary also is claiming Gibraltar. Not previously had problems, but since that this grandson of a republican spanish woman is the mayor of Gibraltar, only is causing discord, with excuses like that Spanish fishermen used fishing gear are prohibited, when are certified by EU, and even recently, they served. Coincidentally, today do not serve

4) The Gibraltarians always are british while they are considered as tax haven. For example, if the UK don't want Gibraltar, and Spain says Gibraltarians: " You will be Spanish and also a tax haven" ...I can then ensure that the Gibraltarians would feel the most Spanish of the world. This is not an issue of nationality, is of economic status

5) The United Kingdom believes very overrated. The UK has lost many battles, many (I know the military history of the UK) and many of these battles are lost against Spain, Cartagena de Indias and Tenerife, to give some examples, where if we had not been magnanimous with Nelson, there would have been Trafalgar. Another thing is that the UK in its history books never said the defeats, only the victories, unlike Spain. A defeat could have been the Falklands War. The help of US and Chile were decisive, also of convincing France to stop supply of missiles and airplanes to Argentina. Otherwise, today we would be talking about something else, but not of a victory

6) It is a great pity that because of this colony, the last colony in Europe (an anachronism in our time, in our continent and our democracies) clouding relations between Spain and the UK

Spain helped to Gibraltar in the early nineteenth century in a case of plague. I hope history does not repeat

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

Spain already has its own tax haven - it's called Andorra (shhh). Many years ago, our town twinned with a town in Andorra so that the local paletos could go up there once a year on the subsidised bus to handle their bank accounts and property there.
What you gonna do?

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

How the hell is that possible? I know you have a very biased, right wing view of Spain but how can Spain have been a country before Morocco? Morocco was the mother nation of the vast majority of Spain, it ruled Spain from Marakesh! Some of you Spaniards have the same warped view of your own history as do the Argentines! It must be a latin thing! Cueta only became Spanish in 1668 the Empire of Morocco began in the 11th century! Nuts, absolutely stark raving nuts.

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

No you are nuts RM.
The Moors may have controlled a large part of Iberia, but there was no such country as Morocco - an earlier state was later over-run by the Berbers from the 11th century. There were various caliphates (either Berbers or Arabs) that controlled northern Africa as well as bits of Iberia.
Having said that, you could argue that there wasn't really a Spain until the 17th century.

Ceuta and Melilla are in the same boat as the Isle of Wight, the Orkneys, or even northern Ireland - citizens have full rights and vote in the national elections. Do the citizens of Gibraltar vote in UK elections? If not, they are part of a colony, like it or not.

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

Your cheap demagoguery, you take the ass. Spain has never been dominated by Islam, because if so, we would be another Bosnia or another Chechnya. And Morocco, as a country, never existed before that Ceuta or Melilla. So the demagoguery the just. I am not argentine, moron. So you don't compare my country and its people with Argentina, because we are not seemed in nothing, except the language

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

Someone forgets that if it wasn't for Wellington and a few of his pals Spaniards would be French ;)

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

Look, I know you can't possibly accept that Spain can do any wrong but the Empire of Morocco came into existence in the eleven hundreds, they called themselves the Empire of Morocco, even if, in the eyes of Western Historians we call them a Caliphate or whatever we want to belittle them as they held a kingdom that ruled the greater part of Spain well before Spain was unified, Spain had no claim over their territories in Morocco until 1668, who did it belong to while Spain was ruled by the Moors? The center of this Caliphate was Marakesh....
Oh and of the 14 B.O.T's I believe Gibraltar and the Falklands have FULL British citizenship.... and all that goes with it.

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

Yes, yes it was... for hundreds of years, if it wasn't for the Basques (Genetically) and the brave Northerners, you still would be... learn to deal with it.

Even when you say " Hola" you are paying respect to Allah.... how does that feel?

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

Someone forgets that if not for the Allies in the II World War, now UK would speak German; someone forgets that many of the soldiers of Welllington were Spanish, and also someone forgets that if not for the Prussians, the British had been defeated by the French Imperial Guard in Waterloo...So, if we talk in general terms, the Anglo-Spanish cooperation was necessary to fight Napoleon

Napoleon always regretted of to invaded Spain. His army in Spain it was already wear and tear when arrived Wellington. He invaded Spain, taking advantage of our army was in America, when then began independence conflicts

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

This is getting interesting so I am moving it to PDT so you can indulge yourselves!

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

It's true enough - 'The name Gibraltar is the Spanish derivation of the Arabic name Jabal Tāriq (جبل طارق), meaning "mountain of Tariq"' (Wikipedia).
Still and all - it's the right of the people who live there to live there in peace.
My own solution for the conflict - make Spain (unemployment rate 25%) part of Gibraltar (1.8% unemployment) , instead of the other way round.
Call the place Giberia.

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

The right to live in peace, is to comply with the treaty of Utrecht, not usurp lands and waters that are not theirs, and let in peace to their Spanish neighbors. This is living in peace

Oh yeah, obviously, if in my small town (which curiously, has more or less the same people that Gibraltar) we were a tax haven, certainly there would be no unemployment, and would we get money even under of the stones

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

I want a 'like' button!!

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

OK, if we adhere to the Treaty can we have Minorca back please?

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

Thousands of spanish words are arabic...a few here

http://spanish.about.com/cs/historyo...bicwords_2.htm

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

You've just said the waters don't belong to Gibraltar, only the harbour, which one is it?

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

Not to mention the food - most of which is Arabic or Jewish!

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

You only have to look at the Spanish obsession with pork to see the legacy the Moors and Jews left with Spain

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

Yes, and many words also are Roman. As also in the English language, many words are Roman, and what? What is the problem?

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

Everything you and is yours, you convert in a virtue, and of Spain in default, what is the problem of Spain with other cultures? Is there no traces of other cultures in the UK, as Roman ruins?

I don't know what you mean exactly with the pig...

Re: Problems in Gibraltar again
 

I am proud of the mix of culture in Britain, deeply proud of it, I am proud that the only country the Romans desired more than any was Britain, proud of the history and melting pot we have here, I am equally ashamed of a couple of dark parts of our history but I don't shy away from it, I embrace it. You should stop denying your Islamic history, it gave you a rich and varied history.


As to the pig, after the Reconquista and the bloody persecution of the Jews and Muslims people were forced to eat pork on a regular basis as proof of their "Christianity" and their neighbours were encouraged to denounce them.