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Old Apr 20th 2012 | 11:41 pm
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Galloway got in because he courts the muslim vote. You only have to see him with his supporters on election night to realise this. He did the same in London too and ousted the black candidate Oona King with muslim help.
 
Old Apr 20th 2012 | 11:44 pm
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Originally Posted by jojojojojo
From the bits I saw of this video (it was too boring to watch the whole thing), I would say that its all about whats going/gone wrong

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I agree, politics can appear to be boring, but, when it could be molding your future, surely a little patients is not too much to ask?

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no mention of how to put it right and for me thats more important for the future

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The wonder of Youtube was at your finger tips. There are many videos about this man and the views of his party. But I wouldn't want to bore you with something as trivial as ours and our children's future.
 
Old Apr 21st 2012 | 12:02 am
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Well I sat and watched the whole video. In 2008 he predicted the end of the Euro. In 2009 he predicted the end of the Euro, in 2010 he predicted the end of the Euro. OK you get the drift. If he goes on long enough there is a chance he may be correct. It seems to be holding up well against the "mighty" Americain dollar so it cannopt be in that bad a way. Perrhaps if the Guy did not have a vested interest I might have took him a little more seriously.
Thought: "If the UK had joined the Euro then some of the fiscal policies would not have been available to the UK politicians. Would the UK still be in the mess it is in currently?"
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Old Apr 21st 2012 | 12:07 am
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I agree, politics can appear to be boring, but, when it could be molding your future, surely a little patients is not too much to ask?



The wonder of Youtube was at your finger tips. There are many videos about this man and the views of his party. But I wouldn't want to bore you with something as trivial as ours and our children's future.
Well you tell me which one has the answers, which one will protect my childrens future and which one will be voted in to do it, then I'll watch it!

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If the UK had joined the euro it would be in an even bigger mess.

He did predict about the bail outs.
 
Old Apr 21st 2012 | 12:25 am
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Haven't the biggest bail outs been in the US, Iceland (well more of a default) and the UK (Northern Rock, RBS and HBOS)?
Of course since then we've had Greece and Ireland (didn't the UK help in that?)
I suppose we'll have to wait and see what happens with the Euro. I thought Spain would pull out this year and go into a devalued currency like the UK, but it doesn't look certain at the moment.
Interestingly it looks like the pound can gain a little more back against the Euro, due to uncertainty over the French elections. More euros for those changing over pounds
http://iberosphere.com/2012/04/pound...inst-euro/5962
 
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Originally Posted by jojojojojo
Well you tell me which one has the answers, which one will protect my childrens future and which one will be voted in to do it, then I'll watch it!

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Sorry, the efforts that I make, are for my benefit. I pointed out the video only, if anyone has any interest, for whatever reason, it's their responsibility to make an effort, not expect others to do the dirty work for them!
 
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I think the guy does speak a lot of truth and he is not afraid to say it to the faces of the people he talks about. Look at the faces of the others blank because what he says they know is mainly true. The EU countries are as always have and will happen in these sort of circumstances turning to a protectionist view. This is causing an increase of violent protest and that is only what we are allowed to be shown. To be honest I think the whole world knows that the Euro is a flawed concept too much difference between it's members. Osborn has now gone on board with his latest loan to the IMF saying if used it will only be for countries that agree to more austerity and controls on budget. They even talk about fining countries that don't meet their austerity targets, that will help fine a bankrupt country? The problem of course is that the Euro has probably gone too far now and it's failure is deemed to have so much affect on the rest of the world that it can't just be got rid of. though i personally agree with a lot of what this guy says I don't think they as a party have the where with all to run our country . Problem is people are sick of the main parties as they do not do anything like they say certainly the Tories haven't Liberals are finished and who would want labour back after the last fiasco. That leaves it for people to just not vote or to make the protest vote and I think UKIP will start to get that. The fear is as someone else said shoud this continue into another long hard depression (which to me is where all this austerity is heading) who knows what will happen. Something has to give I think the French elections could be the start of something certainly you wont have the French cuddling up so much to Mrs Merkle. Maybe the Euro can hang on but there has to be some change maybe some could leave it is assumed the weak but why not the strong thus allowing the weak to cope?

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OK, let's strangle him....
 
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Originally Posted by bobd22
I think the guy does speak a lot of truth and he is not afraid to say it to the faces of the people he talks about. Look at the faces of the others blank because what he says they know is mainly true. The EU countries are as always have and will happen in these sort of circumstances turning to a protectionist view. This is causing an increase of violent protest and that is only what we are allowed to be shown. To be honest I think the whole world knows that the Euro is a flawed concept too much difference between it's members. Osborn has now gone on board with his latest loan to the IMF saying if used it will only be for countries that agree to more austerity and controls on budget. They even talk about fining countries that don't meet their austerity targets, that will help fine a bankrupt country? The problem of course is that the Euro has probably gone too far now and it's failure is deemed to have so much affect on the rest of the world that it can't just be got rid of. though i personally agree with a lot of what this guy says I don't think they as a party have the where with all to run our country . Problem is people are sick of the main parties as they do not do anything like they say certainly the Tories haven't Liberals are finished and who would want labour back after the last fiasco. That leaves it for people to just not vote or to make the protest vote and I think UKIP will start to get that. The fear is as someone else said shoud this continue into another long hard depression (which to me is where all this austerity is heading) who knows what will happen. Something has to give I think the French elections could be the start of something certainly you wont have the French cuddling up so much to Mrs Merkle. Maybe the Euro can hang on but there has to be some change maybe some could leave it is assumed the weak but why not the strong thus allowing the weak to cope?
 
Old Apr 21st 2012 | 3:09 am
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Originally Posted by jackytoo
Galloway got in because he courts the muslim vote. You only have to see him with his supporters on election night to realise this. He did the same in London too and ousted the black candidate Oona King with muslim help.
Big mate of Saddam Hussein wasn't he? and said how great a bloke he was, despite evryone knowing he was operating an ethnic cleasing policy in his country, if he stood in my constituency, I would vote for whichever candidate seemed the most likely to defeat him, party politics notwithstanding. You only have to remember his performance on Big Brother to see what a pillock he is.
 
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When you're living within the Eurozone with an income which is largely UK based, as I do, you need to try and keep up to speed in case the exchange rate falls to a level where you need to return home.

I've read Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, the Telegraph economic commentator for many years, and he has been predicting the fall of the Euro since before it was even established. A lot of the broadsheet British media have done the same for many years.

They're at it again now, Greece appears to have been saved and now it's Spain's turn, and of course the Euro is on the verge of collapsing once again.

It might, but apart from the British media, nobody else seems to think so.
 
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Originally Posted by bobd22
I think the guy does speak a lot of truth and he is not afraid to say it to the faces of the people he talks about. Look at the faces of the others blank because what he says they know is mainly true. ?
Agree, they must dread him getting up to talk! As you say, it's not snide comments behind their backs, he lets them have it straight, and when he says they are an unelected, unanswerable to anybody bunch, they know he's not talking with forked tongue. They haven't really got an answer. I rather enjoy listening to him, his "who are you?" attack on Rumpy Pumpy, "all the charisma of a damp rag and the appearance of a low-grade bank clerk" I thought was a classic, it'll be quoted for years to come. I think we need people like him and Daniel Hannan to remind us of how corrupt and inefficient the EU is, even if we might not vote for them.
 
Old Apr 21st 2012 | 3:28 am
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Agree, they must dread him getting up to talk! As you say, it's not snide comments behind their backs, he lets them have it straight, and when he says they are an unelected, unanswerable to anybody bunch, they know he's not talking with forked tongue. They haven't really got an answer. I rather enjoy listening to him, his "who are you?" attack on Rumpy Pumpy, "all the charisma of a damp rag and the appearance of a low-grade bank clerk" I thought was a classic, it'll be quoted for years to come. I think we need people like him and Daniel Hannan to remind us of how corrupt and inefficient the EU is, even if we might not vote for them.
Let's face it.. ALL governments are inefficient, and a whole lot are corrupt as well, even within the EU, Italy, Greece and Spain come to mind, and I suspect that if the UKIP was in power, they would be just as bad. The problem is that everything is done by concensus, all agreed by committees, and so everything is a compromise. I am always reminded of the adage that a camel is a horse designed by a committee.
 
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It might, but apart from the British media, nobody else seems to think so.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't say that it is only the British Media only this week the IMF even stated it was a possibility and I am in the same position as you re income. As I said it may be that the Euro failing could have too much of an impact on the rest of the world? It could be that it changes from it's present form the talk of 2 tier Euro has been around for a while. You have to take into account that the Eurozone countries that are in the doodoo can only exact so much austerity before the citizens turn and that will mean violence as we have seen in Greece and starting to see in Spain. Off course as Farage said when they the EU hierarchy see that the Citizens are not prepared to agree they either impose a someone as leader that will do as they want or ignore the public, something has to give. Myself I think it is flawed in it's concept. This link also shows that it is not just British media.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/46180513/Will...ay_Yes_for_Now
 


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