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The general consensus is that Iran or some other country was involved. If that is the case, why would Libya pay such a massive compensation claim?

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the large compensation claim, plus handing over Al Meghari has brought the Lybian state international legitimacy.
It went an enormous way to removing their interntonal pariah status.
Plus they can easily afford it with their massive oil revenues.

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OK ........ but in what way does that make this particular individual guilty ...... just because he worked for the Libyan authorities?

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Because to such an oil rich country is was a worthwhile expenditure to remove the sanctions on them. It might well have been that Megrahi went to the gallows, as it were as part of a deal with his boss Ghaddafi, with the understanding that he and his family would be compensated, and the case against him was so weak that he would be out on appeal ere long.

They didn't count on his prostate imploding, or that his appeal would be denied.

Matt, don't be like Lord Denning. He once stated, (when asked about prisoners who had been wrongfuly convicted) that it was better that innocent men remain behind bars that British Justice be sullied by having to admit that it had got things wrong.

A mature democracy should be wise enough to realise that on occasions it gets things wrong, and compassionate enough to take that seriously into consideration.

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There was sufficient evidence against him to put him away, circumstantial or not, and to result in all of his appeals being turned down. The final appeal, as I understand it, was on the grounds that it is claimed the trail was unfair, not that he was innocent, but that the trail was unfair.


As Bill accused of me, how do you KNOW that he was innocent? Because some people eager to make their names in journalism decided to write a piece claiming he was innocent? Is that honestly how you reach your opinions mitz?

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As Bill accused of me, how do you KNOW that he was innocent? QUOTE]

Head above parapet.... on this one very specific point, I think I agree with Matt - the trial found him guilty beyond all reasonable doubt (guess strictly that's not the same as knowing he was guilty, though>>) However no-one apart from him can know whether or not he's innocent.

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Now thats a bit of a twattish thing to say, knowing me as you do :confused:

I dont know that he's innocent. Conversely (trial verdict aside) you dont know he's guilty. Amongst other things I base my opinions on what I remember of the trial. I base it on the very informed opinions of the families of the victims who know far far more about all this than we do. I have no idea what article you are referring to and have read no journalistic pieces about it

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Funny how people who think he is innocent kept stumm for 19 years till he was released and did bugger all to help him before.

PS Mitz you`re missing Man ure on Spanish tv. ;-))

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No, sorry but you are wrong. From the beginning there were people, including relatives of victims who were deeply unhappy with the result of the trial.

Once again, I make the point. The US said that there was no way the bomb could have been put on the plane post Malta as the baggage was kept in a secure area. Subsequently, it came out that the secure area had been broken into, the padlock had been cut off and the handlers said that there was one more bag in, of a description that matched that of the suitcase containing the bomb.

The witness identified M after having seen an article alleging M was involved which had a pic of M. That alone is enough to damage him as a witness. Then he said it was a rainy day when M came into his store to buy the clothes.

M says he has evidence to prove he was not in Malta on a rainy day.

I reckon there is more to this than meets the eye, but to me there is reasonable doubt here. Bear in mind that there is not, to my knowledge one single piece of evidence that links him to the crime.

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So you ACTUALLY know he is innocent right?


Oh and if you look hard Billy Boy you will see that not ALL the victims families felt he was innocent.

Oh but you ALREADY know that Billy Boy don't you!?

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I'll catch it later :)
Theres been a lot done and said since he was convicted JD, I've always held this view but theres naff all I could ever do to change things .... even if I did feel that strongly about it

Not all the victims families think he was guilty ;):lol:

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I am aware of that but I didn't imply they did, conversely it has been implied the opposite.

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Sweetie, I fear you are being silly again. At no point did I say that all the relatives felt he was innocent. Au contraire my little gollum. The majority, mostly yanks, feel very strongly that he was as guilty as hell. Like you they are not prepared to let reason or doubt get in the way of a satisfactory conviction that got them all a chunk of that delicious Lybian dosh.

I wonder how quick they will be to refund all that if his conviction is ever overturned?

By the way, post Lockerbie, there was a massive cash payment made to a terrorist group who were caught using gear very similar to that used in Lockerbie according to an article posted in the lounge. Sadly there was no direct link proven which would have been nice.

Matt, if you are going to post with the grownups, could you please stick to adult postings which steer clear f cheap stupidinsults which frankly do your case no good. You might notice that when you are polite to me (which isn't often) and post sensibly then I am always polite to you.

When you are childish and abusive, then I will always take pleasure in rubbing your face in your mess, just like I would a poorly house trained puppy.

In short, play nice, and I'll be nice to you.

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Yes of course I am Billy, of course I am.


Oh and no, I didn't read a single word past the word "again"

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Do you know what, I have just read back through the thread and realised something. I, at no point replied to Chim Chimeny and yet he tried to ridicule and dismiss me out of the discussion, I never even spoke to him, Mitz and I were having a discussion and he decided to make some twattish Dick Van Dyke comment about me having all the secret information.... What's the matter Billy? You not getting any at the moment so you feel that you need to drive people away in case they disagree with you?

Sad little man, really really sad.