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Re: Lockerbie
Dont you remember the trial, it was a farce. He was guilty before it even started. As I said, they had to find someone guilty and he was chosen. I read somewhere that his family was paid off.
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Re: Lockerbie
Innocent my arse, the guy was part of a team that performed the worse terrorist attack the UK has ever seen and now the prick has the privilege of dying with his family, a privilege denied the families of the 270 innocent people who never chose to die that day in Lockerbie.
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Re: Lockerbie
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 7865285)
Innocent my arse, the guy was part of a team that performed the worse terrorist attack the UK has ever seen and now the prick has the privilege of dying with his family, a privilege denied the families of the 270 innocent people who never chose to die that day in Lockerbie.
I dont think you are in a position to say that with any real credibility mate. the forces that were at large when that trial went on were immense - why have they never found any more of the team do you think? :) |
Re: Lockerbie
Originally Posted by Mitzyboy
(Post 7865303)
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I dont think you are in a position to say that with any real credibility mate. the forces that were at large when that trial went on were immense - why have they never found any more of the team do you think? :) |
Re: Lockerbie
Now now Mitzy, you know Matt is right. He has access to secret files unknown by mere mortals.
Tell me matt, what is it? Are you so in love with our legal system that you cannot tolerate it being challenged, or so in love with the USA that you think they are god? I bet you are a hoot on the death penalty eh? Until you can demonstrate any definite physical evidence that would link Magrahi to the bomb, then all you have is circumstantial evidence which is looking more and more shoddy as time passes. Reasonable doubt is raised over and over again. Didn't you read the stuff about the breakin at the secure area where the luggage was stored prior to the take off from the UK? Or the fact that the witness said he came into the shop on a rainy day, and M can demonstrate he wasn't in Malta on any dy it was raining? |
Re: Lockerbie
Originally Posted by bil
(Post 7865333)
Now now Mitzy, you know Matt is right. He has access to secret files unknown by mere mortals.
I got as far as this Billy boy and thats all I needed to come to the conclusion that you are a prick. |
Re: Lockerbie
Oh give over you two :lol:
Just agree to disagree Neither of us can prove anything. None of us know what powers were at work during the trial I just wonder how anyone in that position was going to get a fair trial ...... OK if there was specific evidence then fine. But there wasnt. He was a member of whatever ... part of the Libyan government? Doesnt mean he did the deed |
Re: Lockerbie
Originally Posted by Mitzyboy
(Post 7865380)
Oh give over you two :lol:
Just agree to disagree Neither of us can prove anything. None of us know what powers were at work during the trial I just wonder how anyone in that position was going to get a fair trial ...... OK if there was specific evidence then fine. But there wasnt. He was a member of whatever ... part of the Libyan government? Doesnt mean he did the deed The US needed a patsy. Al Megari was it. Personally I doubt he had anything to do it. |
Re: Lockerbie
Originally Posted by HBG
(Post 7864758)
I hadn't realised that devolution meant that Scotland now has it's own justice system, but applaud the justice minister for his courage in taking on the mighty US.
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Re: Lockerbie
Originally Posted by HBG
(Post 7864758)
I hadn't realised that devolution meant that Scotland now has it's own justice system, but applaud the justice minister for his courage in taking on the mighty US.
Mind you, listening to Obama and Milliband condemn the decision, I thought I could see them both blush. I know it's not considered politically correct to mention oil, but Lybia seems to have rather a lot of it. isn't BP over there at the moment? Are you delusional? The guy was tried in a court of law, he appealed three times and lost, the Libyans gave him up, he was a secret service agent, the bloke was guilty. now was he solely guilty? Not a chance and I don't doubt for one second that Gadaffi had a hand in it, the bloke is a wanker, but FFS, this is not about the US vs the rest of the free world, its about JUSTICE FOR 270 PEOPLE WHO NEVER HAD THE CHANCE TO SPEND THEIR LAST DAYS WITH THEIR FAMILIES! Oh and as already said, the Scottish have their own justice system, this is bugger all to do with justice, its ABOUT OIL. |
Re: Lockerbie
Originally Posted by Mitzyboy
(Post 7865380)
Oh give over you two :lol:
Just agree to disagree Neither of us can prove anything. None of us know what powers were at work during the trial I just wonder how anyone in that position was going to get a fair trial ...... OK if there was specific evidence then fine. But there wasnt. He was a member of whatever ... part of the Libyan government? Doesnt mean he did the deed (That's the usual cue for some idiot to say that I have no empathy for the victims. Au contraire. I have empathy for both sides. I just don't see how a wrongful conviction does the victims any good.) Oh yes, Matt, ever heard the term unsafe conviction? The witness was corrupted, the defendant has proof that he was elsewhere on the date the witness alleges, the secure luggage holding area was broken into, - any one of those is enough to create reasonable doubt. Seriously Matt, let's skip the traditional abuse. Doesn't it bother you that these points could suggest that Megrahi wasn't the man? |
Re: Lockerbie
Originally Posted by bil
(Post 7866288)
Mitz, poor old Matt simply doesn't do empathy.
(That's the usual cue for some idiot to say that I have no empathy for the victims. Au contraire. I have empathy for both sides. I just don't see how a wrongful conviction does the victims any good.) Oh yes, Matt, ever heard the term unsafe conviction? The witness was corrupted, the defendant has proof that he was elsewhere on the date the witness alleges, the secure luggage holding area was broken into, - any one of those is enough to create reasonable doubt. Seriously Matt, let's skip the traditional abuse. Doesn't it bother you that these points could suggest that Megrahi wasn't the man? |
Re: Lockerbie
Matt he could have appealed 30 times and the result would have been the same because without him the "free world" would have bought no one to task for the attrocity.
When even the victims families dont think he had anything to do with it then something is seriously flawed, because if anyone would be out for justice / revenge it would be them, and I think we should respect what they say also. History is full of people who were tried, found guilty, even hung .... and then found to be innocent. people who have spent most of their lives behind bars and then released with paltry compensation. When the evidence suggests "innocence" but the jury says guilty, and especially under the prevailing circumstances, there will always be doubt |
Re: Lockerbie
Originally Posted by Mitzyboy
(Post 7866331)
Matt he could have appealed 30 times and the result would have been the same because without him the "free world" would have bought no one to task for the attrocity.
When even the victims families dont think he had anything to do with it then something is seriously flawed, because if anyone would be out for justice / revenge it would be them, and I think we should respect what they say also. History is full of people who were tried, found guilty, even hung .... and then found to be innocent. people who have spent most of their lives behind bars and then released with paltry compensation. When the evidence suggests "innocence" but the jury says guilty, and especially under the prevailing circumstances, there will always be doubt Am I the only one applying logic to this? |
Re: Lockerbie
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 7866336)
So answer me the compensation question Mitz.
Am I the only one applying logic to this? |
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