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Re: A Life in the UK or Spain?
Originally Posted by jojojojojojojojojojojojo
(Post 8335923)
Truly integrated people wouldnt refer to the Spanish as "the Spanish"??????? They'd be part of "the Spanish" and would be one of them, so wouldnt refer to them gramatically as the "third person"??????? If that makes sense???
Jo xxx
Originally Posted by johncar61
(Post 8335936)
I can understand what you say, But surely most English / Scottish / Irish, etc people would refer to 'The English' 'The Scots' the 'Irish' etc when talking about us/them collectively!!!
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Re: A Life in the UK or Spain?
I know a spaniard who refers to the "spanish" in conversation. We do it on the forum too when we post about the "Brits".
I think it must be very hard for retired couples who live in the campo, speak little spanish to integrate in the true sense. It is like some places in the UK you are still considered a stranger after 20 years if you didn't go to school, work with them etc. Madrid boy sounds more integrated because he works (presumably) with the spanish. Matter of perception really, some think they are integrated because their neighbour says "Hola amigo":D |
Re: A Life in the UK or Spain?
I've read this thread a number of times and each time there seems to be a strong element of compulsion towards integrating. This I find somewhat strange as you wouldn't necessarily do it in the UK. Many people spend their lives in one place and have little need of intruders other than to acknowledge them and carry on with their activities. I'm sure that a lot of the Spanish have a similar mind set.
I have this mental picture of a Spanish neighbour saying" Juan come quickly and hide with the children. That bloody English couple are coming over, " You know the one who thinks he's in Doctor Who and keeps saying, "Integrate- Integrate" or at least I hope that's what it is." The US Services issued a book to their Service men and women in WW2 explaining that because Brits didn't speak to them on a train wasn't because they were rude but that they liked the possibility of silence in an ever noisier world. Very little has changed as I am sure many of you who have commuted over any distance are aware. If you don't want to integrate you don't have to. The EU says that you can travel and live freely anywhere within the EU not that you must integrate. If you do that's fine. If you don't, that's also fine. You only have one life live it! Jim |
Re: A Life in the UK or Spain?
Originally Posted by jackytoo
(Post 8336041)
I know a spaniard who refers to the "spanish" in conversation. We do it on the forum too when we post about the "Brits".
I think it must be very hard for retired couples who live in the campo, speak little spanish to integrate in the true sense. It is like some places in the UK you are still considered a stranger after 20 years if you didn't go to school, work with them etc. Madrid boy sounds more integrated because he works (presumably) with the spanish. Matter of perception really, some think they are integrated because their neighbour says "Hola amigo":D |
Re: A Life in the UK or Spain?
I lived in the same house in UK for 17 years, said hello to my neighbours each morning, never knew their names or anything much about them, if that was being integrated, I am even more integrated now !
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Re: A Life in the UK or Spain?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there is such thing as true integration, jojojojo. I mean if some American wanted to move to England because he was an Anglophile, and even tried to mimic some sort of English accent, wouldn't he still be that Yank?
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Re: A Life in the UK or Spain?
Originally Posted by chrisfromusa
(Post 8337385)
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there is such thing as true integration, jojojojo. I mean if some American wanted to move to England because he was an Anglophile, and even tried to mimic some sort of English accent, wouldn't he still be that Yank?
That said, I'm sure she felt she was part of the english community (which she was) and felt integrated. Jo xxx |
Re: A Life in the UK or Spain?
Originally Posted by sweetpete
(Post 8326962)
Exactly the sort of comment I would expect ...cry "RASCIST" at the first opportunity.
Dear oh dear.:thumbdown: You are an immigrant to Spain, bottom line. Shame you've brought your prejudices with you. When I see tv programmes such as UK Border Control I understand why we need to remove people from overseas who are working in the UK illegally although many are paying UK taxes but I often wish we could exchange these willing workers for the idle, welfare-claiming white indigenous non -working class chavs. We need these people if we, an aging population, are to continue enjoying our Ponzi-scheme state pensions in future. |
Re: A Life in the UK or Spain?
Originally Posted by jojojojojojojojojojojojo
(Post 8330903)
In general, people complain about the immigrants in the UK because they are depicted by the media as going there, getting housing, benifits and are allowed to keep their own cultures and religion. IMO from what I've seen its not really like that - but thats the stereotype that, inparticular "the Sun" and the Mail" like to dipict.
Those of us who come to Spain, may or may not integrate - I'd like to, but call me thick, I'm trying to speak the language, but I'm not gonna be fluent anytime soon, so therefore there is going to be a language barrier - I cant see me making best friends with someone I cant chat to. But I am polite, friendly and respectful - but no, I'm not intergrated into the Spanish way of life as such, TBH, I dont really see a Spanish way of life. The Spanish around me are too busy with work, kids, family etc - I'm not even sure I understand what is meant by integrating The point is, we dont come over here and take handouts, houses or benifits from the Spanish, we come here and try and make it work and we take nothing! Actually if the truth were known, thats really how it is for most immigrants to the UK - without the media finding the odd one or two acceptions! Jo xxx Way to go, girl!!:D |
Re: A Life in the UK or Spain?
Originally Posted by azor the mighty
(Post 8338620)
You are an immigrant to Spain, bottom line. .
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Re: A Life in the UK or Spain?
Originally Posted by johncar61
(Post 8338696)
Well you might be I don't know you, but the majority of us here are not immigrants. We are EU citizens and have just as much right to be here as other EU nationalities have to live in UK.
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Re: A Life in the UK or Spain?
Originally Posted by Mitzyboy
(Post 8338706)
Is it a bad thing that I am agreeing with you ;):D
There is a lot more to do if you emmigrate anywhere than crossing the border to be legal. |
Re: A Life in the UK or Spain?
Originally Posted by johncar61
(Post 8338696)
Well you might be I don't know you, but the majority of us here are not immigrants. We are EU citizens and have just as much right to be here as other EU nationalities have to live in UK.
The word is simply descriptive and is applied to a person who leaves his/her native country to reside in another. Check your dictionary. It's also the official UN definition but hey, if you feel that calling yourself an 'expat' gives you some kind of higher status, go ahead.;) |
Re: A Life in the UK or Spain?
Originally Posted by jdr
(Post 8338858)
About time someone else did. :rofl:
There is a lot more to do if you emmigrate anywhere than crossing the border to be legal. |
Re: A Life in the UK or Spain?
Originally Posted by azor the mighty
(Post 8338886)
Such as? I'm sure you're right but I'd like to know what you mean.
Then apply to emigrate to Canada, Australia, New Zealand or anywhere else outside Europe, then you will find what immigrant means. ;);) |
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