I have read it all. The company in my post (that advertise on this forum), is called EX-PAT TV, as I typed, not EXPAT TV!
I think that you have been looking at the wrong one!

So one says you need 1.2mps ( sounds about right ) and another 0.5mps.
which one is telling porkys??

It is not a question of "telling porkies", they are two different companies. EX-PAT TV, the one that has the advert on this forum, and that you accuse of being misleading, doesn't make the claims that you attribute to it! They do however have a money back guarantee. So if you don't have enough speed (like one particular "sour graper" on here), or are not satisfied with the performance, just return it within seven days.
This is just one of the many alternatives to satellite TV (who's days are numbered, regardless of whether the new launch works or not!),
Europa Network, FilmOn SD or HD, NTV, the iPlayers, Netflix, Love Film, etc.
and if you are in the UK, TV Catchup (which is free!!! ).

Another Euro earned ???

Until they all tell the same story and offer the same unconditional refunds to those who cannot receive what they offer or when the BBC etc stop them re broadcasting I will avoid them all. Its like double galzing , then solar power a bandwagon for anyone who want to make a quick fortune from those with more money than sense.

There you go again!
I have been using Eoropa Network (Internet, Phone and UK TV), and FilmOn, for five years. The service from these two companies has been excellent (especially Europa).
Forums are here to help people who need answers for their problems. What they don't need, is people who have no experience of the products posting negative comments about them.
Ring any Bells?

I agree this fourm is helping people to get UKTV.. and i for one say use internet TV if you cant get Sky TV..

YES
except you appear to be the one in the latter category, buy a box plug it in and become an overnight expert


and as to helping people with their problems - many of them are caused by "finger trouble", dishes/lnb's moving a tiny bit due to the heavy rain and winds and poor quality receivers couple into systems using poorer quality cables and connectors.

Remember the mantra - The satellite hasn't left earth yet, not much has changed for 5 years except scandelous scaremongering by overnight experts.

But then I see Europa Network gives one month's free rental for each and every referral.
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The question is, with the increasing "authority" of the EU to impose its will on behalf of those with the greatest lobbying presence (read: most money), how long will UK internet TV last? It's not a known quantity.

With satellite, at least you can be sure that the signal WILL always be receivable, it WILL be excellent quality, and it WILL be legal and available forever (nobody will ever shut it down). The problem for people in Spain is that UK satellite TV increasingly requires a substantial investment and a big dish, which many people just don't have the space for.

So, if you're in the "can't afford it and don't have space for it" category, AND lucky enough to get fast/reliable enough internet, AND are willing to engage in whatever cowboy techno-mumbo-jumbo required (e.g., proxy to hide your location or whatever), and your internet TV actually works reliably and delivers good quality, then why not?

Still, in my experience, I find it a bit hard to believe in Internet TV solutions, because we have all of the above, and for us, Satellite TV is still far superior to internet TV in terms of quality and reliability - it just works, compared to internet TV, which is usually crappy quality and often becomes unviewable, audio out of sync, or stops irrecoverably for no apparent reason, always right in the middle of an important scene.

I should have responded in agreement to your previous post in this vein, it was well written. I had some additional information I wished to add but got bumped off course. Sorry

OK, with satellite rain can get in the way for the uplink signal as welll as the downlink but there is really only one interface from the landbase to satellite to client receiving the signal

The internet is comprised of many many interfaces, cross borders, involving various jurisdictions that could shut a link down. There are various alternative routes to ensure you get the signal from A to Z. Each time it hits another way station the signal is re-amplified to given levels before being passed on. Some routes for internet regularly use satellites as primary or secondary routing as part of the process.
Cabling can never be completely be fibre-optic - there is too much copper out there! And copper need more re-amplification (IIRC 4-6 times the number compared with FO).
So look at what happens with the signal as it gets to you - is it small wonder that the voice and video are out of sync, the quality of video gets poorer. (But then I can't get good lipsynch on the Spanish TDT system either)
The more signals you put down the pipe the more chance there is of an occasional "clash".

And it is fairly common knowledge that the pipes are reaching the maximum as they are being used for VOIP, Broadband, Television, Data, CCTV, Security and many other things.
Like the problem we have with the lightswitch as we enter the room - it is always there and available, the same is felt about "the internet" - always on. Like the sun moving round the earth so moves the internet, following the general work and sleep cycles of the planet.

And the radio spectrum is getting tighter and tighter - despite the thoughts people had about radio becoming dead it is really alive and well - but also running out of frequency spectrum, what with WiFi, RFID, Security, Microphones, Machinery Reports, General Radio for news, music etc, the move to Digital TV was partly to increase the information transmitted but also by reducing the bandwidth allows for more stations.

And still the ITU keep to frequency allocations based on only 3 regions for the planet
And that is a struggle, because the internet is taking on tasks that should be reducing these problems on live to air but are just clogging things up.

But at the end of the day, if people are allowed to take other people's Intellectual Property without agreement nor payment and rebroadcast it to people they charge for the privelege then at some point it has got to stop. Its a waste of time hitting the consumer, they are just taking advantage of what is readily available, it has to be stopped at the beginning. But it has to be done legally and with full action of the law.

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Dishes moving due to wind and rain, and problems with cables? Sounds like a good reason to get rid of them and use the internet, I did! and I use my computer, not a box, 'cos I like to use an "Astrill VPN" for other programs
I agree about the satellite, and I for one have never said that things will change, I leave that to "The Guy" to keep us all informed
The same goes for program streaming! Until a court proves that a company like TV Catchup is acting illegally, they will continue in business!
None of us know what loopholes there might be in the ECJ ruling that allows them to keep going (there do seem to be a lot of experts here who think that they do know!!!!!). As for FilmOn, they obviously have decided that there is no problem for them, and they continue to offer more and more facilities at reasonable monthly prices
Now, lets get down to your comment about Europa Network. This only applies if you recommend a friend, so if you all give me your details, I won't have to pay anything for years

Hi amideislas,
You clearly either do not have a good internet/TV system, or you've been using the wrong program suppliers (we all know how hard it is to get a decent speed in Spain). With the right gear, the quality is excellent (not a bit of "crap" in sight). I have just returned from Australia where using "Expat Shield", I was able to watch UK TV with excellent quality. My Australian friends were amazed and are now converts
Satellite TV is old technology now, and you can "Bet Your Boots" will be phased out (that's why Sky and the main UK TV companies are getting involved with internet TV now!!!).

I would not be making comments if the various internet TV providers did not provide such varied misleading and in some case clearly wrong in formation.
One says you need 1.2mps another 0.5, those who have tried some sites report that with less thann 1.0 they do not work.
Not everyone will have a fast connection or the wish or rescources to upgrade.
Forums are not just about promoting services but also to inform the consumer to be vary wary about some of the promised services from "Some " providers.EXPAT-TV, EX-PAT .TV, EXPATTV etc etc etc.

You should understand that some companies require different minimum speeds for good reception (equipment variation)!
Europa require a min of 1.6 Mb, others need 3.0Mb. That is why you "Try Before You Buy". No one is telling "porkies" as you put it, they are just quoting the min speed required.
Your negativity doesn't help!. If however you have tried one of these companies and find that their claims are incorrect, then please let them, and us know. Then your posts will be of some use.

I am not spending one cent nor do I suggest that anyone else does until we know what the effect of the Sat changes will be.
They will vary from location to location and if as I suspect we lose ours then so be it.
I certainly will not be spending money on any internet subscrptions , equipment or services. There is more than enough local product ( in englsh ) availabe to fill the winter nights .

saxy - your lack of knowledge doesn't help.
would I be too technical if I said that you can't get the same amount of water down a 2.5mm copper pipe compared with a 25mm copper pipe ??

another way is - if you play a 45rpm disc at 331/3 then it doesn't give the same output.

so if a film on the internet needs the eqvt of 45rpm to maintain constant flow of the film then putting it thru a 331/3 pipe it will run slower.

but you with all your technical knowledge of having a box and a couple of leads and a pc that connects to the wibbly wobbly webby internet thingy know all about that. Same as you know that if there is only a 331/3 pipe and everyone on that pipe was trying to pull at 45 the guy(s) on the end of the line will get slower and slower.

have to laugh, that problem doesn't happen with satellite - unless you think otherwise

I remember threads on here about Sky breaking up when good programes were on.. and now the sat has moved everyone is happy...execpt us in the Canary Isles who have lost the good channels now.. Be thankfull that you can watch something you want too..